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Old 04-04-2013, 11:08
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EE have commited to delivering LTE Advanced and have confirmed its on their roadmap to deliver this service. O2 on the other hand has no plans for LTE Advanced. Given their lackluster delivery of 3G its hardly surprising.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...in-the-uk.html
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:24
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EE have commited to delivering LTE Advanced and have confirmed its on their roadmap to deliver this service. O2 on the other hand has no plans for LTE Advanced. Given their lackluster delivery of 3G its hardly surprising.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...in-the-uk.html
That seems a bit of a disingenuous description of what the article actually quotes the companies as saying. O2 just haven't given a timescale, they've not dismissed it (and in fact given their weaker spectrum holding, they arguably actually need some of the LTE-A features more than some of the other operators) EE have said it's on the roadmap.
So to me it actually says both companies will deploy it at some point, they just aren't sure when yet.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:01
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To be 100% clear.... what the O2 spokesperson said was: "“We’re focussed on delivering the benefits of 4G/LTE at the moment and we’ve no timescales of LTE-Advanced.”

That is not the same as 'not interested' but given the form of the OP re O2 previously, disinformation looks like the objective. O2 have a very good record for developing and rolling out new technology across the UK.

Far too early to judge how the 4G rollout will develop as another three networks have yet to launch. Perhaps a year to 18 months need to pass to assess how each are delivering in terms of coverage and performance.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:03
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To be 100% clear.... what the O2 spokesperson said was: "“We’re focussed on delivering the benefits of 4G/LTE at the moment and we’ve no timescales of LTE-Advanced.”

That is not the same as 'not interested' but given the form of the OP re O2 previously, disinformation looks like the objective.

Far too early to judge how the 4G rollout will develop as another three networks have yet to launch. Perhaps a year to 18 months need to pass to assess how each are delivering in terms of coverage and performance.
I agree. There is no reason why O2 wouldn't roll out LTE Advanced. As to when though...? That's anyones guess.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:06
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I think eventually all networks will do it. It's just a matter of time with the base technology not even fully out yet that needs to get a solid grounding before the advanced can be delivered. It nice to see EE willing to commit to it now but I doubt we will hear about it getting released for 1 and half to 2 years minimum.

Isn't LTE-Advanced meant to do away with fixed line?
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:11
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I agree. There is no reason why O2 wouldn't roll out LTE Advanced. As to when though...? That's anyones guess.
Absolutely. They will like others deploy it when it makes business sense and when it has been fully tested, the article states that, " the ITU does admit that its IMT-Advanced data rates are merely targets for research and investigation that “should not be taken as the definitive requirements for systems beyond IMT-2000“.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...in-the-uk.html
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:29
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To be 100% clear.... what the O2 spokesperson said was: "“We’re focussed on delivering the benefits of 4G/LTE at the moment and we’ve no timescales of LTE-Advanced.”

That is not the same as 'not interested' but given the form of the OP re O2 previously, disinformation looks like the objective. O2 have a very good record for developing and rolling out new technology across the UK.

Far too early to judge how the 4G rollout will develop as another three networks have yet to launch. Perhaps a year to 18 months need to pass to assess how each are delivering in terms of coverage and performance.
Im just making up for your unbalanced comments. Like "O2 have a very good record for developing and rolling out new technology across the UK." Hilarious


Still if EE already have plans and time scales and O2 admit they don't then either they are playing their cards close to their chest or its not being considered at the moment. If its not being considered then its not a very good sign for a technology based company. You should at least have some idea of a time scale.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:45
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Im just making up for your unbalanced comments. Like "O2 have a very good record for developing and rolling out new technology across the UK." Hilarious


Still if EE already have plans and time scales and O2 admit they don't then either they are playing their cards close to their chest or its not being considered at the moment. If its not being considered then its not a very good sign for a technology based company. You should at least have some idea of a time scale.
I think it hilarious anyone would want LTE-Advanced with EE you would use your data limit up in seconds. Only way LTE-Advanced is going be used properly is on an unlimited data plan else you going be in same situation as now. Having a fast car but not being able fuel it. Companies need to realize that data is fast becoming one of the major thing to have on a phone and the standard 1GB/2GB doesn't cut it for most anymore.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:49
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I think it hilarious anyone would want LTE-Advanced with EE you would use your data limit up in seconds. Only way LTE-Advanced is going be used properly is on an unlimited data plan else you going be in same situation as now. Having a fast car but not being able fuel it. Companies need to realize that data is fast becoming one of the major thing to have on a phone and the standard 1GB/2GB doesn't cut it for most anymore.
It's only early days mate. The mobile phone industry changes very rapidly as witnessed in the past 5 years.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:54
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I think it hilarious anyone would want LTE-Advanced with EE you would use your data limit up in seconds. Only way LTE-Advanced is going be used properly is on an unlimited data plan else you going be in same situation as now. Having a fast car but not being able fuel it. Companies need to realize that data is fast becoming one of the major thing to have on a phone and the standard 1GB/2GB doesn't cut it for most anymore.
EE will be relying on people going over their allowance to make additional cash from subscribers. Most of the users of this forum have a good idea of how much data they use and know rip off tariffs when they see it. However Joe public probably doesn't have much of a clue. They have been on Orange or T-Mobile for years and now realise they are on EE and will stick with the company they know. Churn rates for mobile networks are between 1% and 3% so people stick with one network for most part.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:02
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EE will be relying on people going over their allowance to make additional cash from subscribers. Most of the users of this forum have a good idea of how much data they use and know rip off tariffs when they see it. However Joe public probably doesn't have much of a clue. They have been on Orange or T-Mobile for years and now realise they are on EE and will stick with the company they know. Churn rates for mobile networks are between 1% and 3% so people stick with one network for most part.
True but I still won't be going to EE. I made my decision and went on to another 2 year The one plan package with Three I think it was the right choice to make even if I don't get 4G signal by end of it which I hope I do at least I won't get restricted on data and get a pretty solid 3G now.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:16
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Shouldn't O2 concentrate on rolling out a decent 3G network before considerig 4G?

Sorry, couldn't help it. Somebody had to say it...
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:20
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Shouldn't O2 concentrate on rolling out a decent 3G network before considerig 4G?

Sorry, couldn't help it. Somebody had to say it...
Ouch low blow in fairness O2 is likely to have one of the best rural 4G signals if they can get it set up well but it certainly won't be the fastest bu than in fairness O2 have never cared a lot about data is the highest Data u can get from O2 still 4GB? It will be interesting to see how Vodafone, O2 and Three perform as there 4G systems turn on.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:08
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That is not the same as 'not interested' but given the form of the OP re O2 previously, disinformation looks like the objective. O2 have a very good record for developing and rolling out new technology across the UK.
Now that's disinformation. They still haven't managed to roll out a late 90s' standard to the entire country yet, whereas other networks have pretty much done that. Their network barely stays up and running as it is.

Where O2 actually have 3G are they running DC-HSPA yet?
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:14
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Now that's disinformation. They still haven't managed to roll out a late 90s' standard to the entire country yet, whereas other networks have pretty much done that. Their network barely stays up and running as it is.

Where O2 actually have 3G are they running DC-HSPA yet?
Nope there still on HSPA+ as far as I know. Vodafone Three and EE run DC-HSPA. O2 still seem live in the past where people only used voice and texts I know couple of years back and was looking at a plan with them and I asked if they offered a larger data plan than 2GB the guy asked why the hell I would need more. But they have a big customer base for some reason I have no idea why.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:22
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Nope there still on HSPA+ as far as I know. Vodafone Three and EE run DC-HSPA. O2 still seem live in the past where people only used voice and texts I know couple of years back and was looking at a plan with them and I asked if they offered a larger data plan than 2GB the guy asked why the hell I would need more. But they have a big customer base for some reason I have no idea why.
O2 have started to roll out DC-HSPA+ but it seems to only be in major cities so far.

And Vodafone use a slightly different varient which only supports speeds up to 28Mbps.

So it's unfair to say O2 don't have it. But they haven't been aggressively rolling it out like EE and Three.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:48
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O2 have started to roll out DC-HSPA+ but it seems to only be in major cities so far.

And Vodafone use a slightly different varient which only supports speeds up to 28Mbps.

So it's unfair to say O2 don't have it. But they haven't been aggressively rolling it out like EE and Three.
Ah haven't heard about O2 rolling it out my bad anyone I know on O2 barely get 4MB, and didn't know there was a different variant being rolled out by Vodafone thanks for the info, and O2 have certainly got be aggressive to roll out there 4G else they will fail obligation, interesting to see if they cope or not.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:48
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Now that's disinformation. They still haven't managed to roll out a late 90s' standard to the entire country yet, whereas other networks have pretty much done that. Their network barely stays up and running as it is.

Where O2 actually have 3G are they running DC-HSPA yet?
Exactly, there isn't much DC around, nor as good rural coverage as any of the other networks. So when it comes to rolling out the latest technology I wouldn't hedge my bets on O2 based on previous record.

Good on EE for committing and saying they plan LTE advanced in the future. High speed data will partly power our business and economy in the future, our tech companies need to be on top of their game and do Britain proud, not lack behind.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:56
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Exactly, there isn't much DC around, nor as good rural coverage as any of the other networks. So when it comes to rolling out the latest technology I wouldn't hedge my bets on O2 based on previous record.

Good on EE for committing and saying they plan LTE advanced in the future. High speed data will partly power our business and economy in the future, our tech companies need to be on top of their game and do Britain proud, not lack behind.
In fairness though O2 and Vodafone should in theory have the best rural coverage for 4G as they each have 20MHZ of 800MHZ where as EE and Three only have 10MHZ of 800MHZ [Three having part close to interference]. I think from past performance it's safe to say O2 aren't a technology network but they work for the average user. It will be curious to see how well they perform I certainly won't be going back to them though.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:57
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While luddites like me will limp on with 3G for many years yet I guess. 4Mbit/sec is plenty fast for me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:59
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While luddites like me will limp on with 3G for many years yet I guess. 4Mbit/sec is plenty fast for me.
That was point I was making to some people 3G is completely fine and they have no complaints with speed more the coverage problems.
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Old 04-04-2013, 20:19
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As ever a small number can't look forward without looking back. Different situations call for different business strategies and both O2 and Three look like revesrsing what went previously due to commercial priorities. EE can invest and roadmsp anything they like but if their LTE consumer offering is anything to go by they will be throwing their money away and the speed makes no sense when data costs an unrealistic amount.

Plymouth has a point in that speed in itself is not that important for most users once you get past the level needed for reliable video streaming.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:15
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As ever a small number can't look forward without looking back.
You said that O2 have a "good record" for developing and rolling out new technology. The first main innovation after being divested from BT, 3G, hasn't been rolled out by them to a decent standard. This isn't looking back, this is correcting what you say.

Plymouth has a point in that speed in itself is not that important for most users once you get past the level needed for reliable video streaming.
You can't do that on GPRS or EDGE.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:22
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You can't do that on GPRS or EDGE.
Yeah HSDPA or HSPDA+ is about the right level for video streaming
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:47
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EE is trying to be the first for LTE and its later offspring, I some how wonder what the benefit is to the end user. I find t interesting the path that H3G is taking in branding their network "Ultrafast" where applicable. When 3G was first mooted an supplied most people didn't know what it did or how capable it was, it took something like facebook to cause the explosion in mobile usage. Beyond a small portion of subscribers I honestly don't see what difference the end user is going to get compared to 3G?

Look at this logically, as it stands at the moment EE has put coverage in 50% of the UK. It's packages are considerably more expensive than even its own sister brands. People maybe using a lot of data nowadays, but I feel the main benefits that 4G brings (increased speed in the main) most people won't notice. I have used 4G and it doesn't load emails or websites any faster than standard HSPA+ if it does it is negligable. The hard job isn't getting the network up and running its convincing people to part with more money for what is in effect the same or lesser service than they currently receive.

I fear we are walking into a situation that will be highly reminiscent of the deployment of 3G technology, it wasn't until the latter part of 2007 before it really began to take off and the networks realised how it could be used effectively. The only different of course is the amounts paid for the spectrum.

People can scream all they want about how great it is for streaming, or downloading or how fast. But real world usage to a real average end user, its going to be hard to justify its cost and explain the benefits.

Doesn't matter how many times Kevin Bacon makes a prat of himself, people will still not want to spend more than they do currently.
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