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Old 04-04-2013, 17:53
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I really like her and so do a lot of other people but most people on here seem to hate her. Why is that?
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:56
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I think it's more they just got fed up with been told she was gone this time for good and then brought back again and when she did she seemed to overshadow whatever companion was there at the time.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:57
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I loved Rose in S1- she was a revelation and worked so beautifully with Nine. I am afraid she got too smug too soon with Ten but was redeemed by the utterly charming and heart wrenching finale.
Then they spoiled it by bringing her back in S4 undoing all the power and sadness of that Bad Wolf Bay scene in one lazy sweep of a writers self indulgent pen. One day RTD will admit he got that wrong, mark my words!

But I don't hate her! I just hope we don't have to sit through love struck teenage brat Rose in the Fiftieth as lets face it Clara already seems like she could eat her for breakfast.

I think it will be better if the Rose and Ten we see are somehow the versions of themselves in S2 so we can avoid all the 'oh my Doctor!' rubbish yet again. Just lets have Rose, funny, inquisitive, a bit sassy Rose, Not lisping smug machine fluttering eyelids Rose.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:59
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I think it's more they just got fed up with been told she was gone this time for good and then brought back again and when she did she seemed to overshadow whatever companion was there at the time.
Tbh I agree. I think it was stupid bringing her back in Series 4, It ruined her exit in Doomsday and it was annoying that in Series 3 The Doctor used to mention her a lot and just ignore Martha.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:03
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I think I am probably the only person who liked Rose all the time, was delighted when she came back, and loved the lovesick Doctor theme in series 3.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:07
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i dont know why people still like her or think 10 n rose are the fav nuwho combo. i cheered when see got sucked off into another dimension. shes the adric of nuwho
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:08
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I loved Rose. Always have and I'm so pleased we'll see her again with 10!
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:08
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She was better with Nine IMO.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:09
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I don't mind people disliking characters - nobody is going to like everybody - but some of the remarks made about Rose (and Amy, too, at times) are very mean.

I don't know why people feel the need to make such remarks.
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Old 04-04-2013, 18:12
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It's the OTT idea that she is The Doctor's one true love by fangirls and the fact she was RTD's creator sue that gets everyone's goat. Martha and Donna were much more relaxed and likeable characters (even if Martha was lovesick over Ten, it somehow didnt matter all that much, mostly because Ten didnt recepricate)
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:50
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i dont know why people still like her or think 10 n rose are the fav nuwho combo. i cheered when see got sucked off into another dimension. shes the adric of nuwho


Rose was fine with Nine. The relationship could have developed convincingly along Susan lines as she was so young, especially with his angry reaction in 'Father's Day'. and trying make her see sense. Sadly it was not to be.

The worse thing was that RTD actually created a character - one of his own characters - specifically to fulfill the role of 'not being as good as Rose'. (The character of Martha was actually far more interesting, quick and capable, which just made the role she was written into, even stranger.) So for someone like me, who'd already skipped the second half of series 2 because I disliked Rose and Rose/Ten (still haven't seen it) it made a lot of series 3 tiresome as well. I love Doctor Who, but didn't appreciate watching a sci fi version of Twilight - especially as the sci fi content was quite thin, so it was swamped by the wish fulfillment.

I'm not the biggest fan of a comedy fish wife veering between shrieking at the top of her voice and endless tears to demonstrate how empathic she was. However Donna was a gift from heaven after all that. Her ending was also far more effective (in my opinion) because I believed in her transformation, so was upset by what she then lost. I never believed in Ten/Rose for one minute. Brilliant geniuses don't fall for ordinary girls - except in young adult literature. Or if they're Silurian lesbians

I haven't seen the series 4 finale since transmission, but I remember Rose wasn't keen on settling for the copy and the copy wasn't given any chance to protest, despite being part human and therefore a different character to the original. However Rose, instead of thinking "sod this control freak" and leaving with head held high, just sobbed endlessly. Also, instead of the copy saying "If Donna doesn't appreciate losing memories of a few months of being an improved human*, why on Gallifrey would I want to live as a human for 50 years with someone who hankers after someone else and barely knows her 13x table?" he just accepted a second rate future. Then they kissed, because Ten had decreed they should be together.That was not only 100% unromantic, it was cruel and I don't even like Rose...

None of this is a criticism of Billie Piper. Both she and especially David Tennant are good actors.

* I know she had her memory wiped afterwards, but I'm sure that the copy knew it would have to happen. Why he wasn't at risk, I don't know. Or care.
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Old 04-04-2013, 20:27
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I loved Rose with 9 and Jack especially, it just seemed to click with them. I never quite got used to her and 10 being 'in love'. Yes I could see how she fell for him but it got a bit (or a lot) OTT and after the huge weepy farewell she shouldn't have been brought back. And even when she did come back, to fob her off with a copy was not a nice thing to do,
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Old 04-04-2013, 20:49
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I don't like Rose because she was overused. It felt like it became the Rose show, instead of the Doctor Who show. I suppose you could argue Moffat is giving us the River Song show at times, but I'm okay with that because River Song is such an unusual mysterious character. Rose was too plain and boring to be featured so much on a show about time-travelling aliens, she'd probably fit in better on EastEnders.
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Old 04-04-2013, 20:49
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A couple of reasons ....

- The fanbase. In a lot of ways Rose's fanbase can be compared to um, 1D in the sense that a certain vocal minority of supporters tend to bulldoze people with their Rose love by trashing other companions.
- RTD's inability to move on from the character or have Rose actually move on from the Doctor as well.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:52
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I'm going to admit it, I loved the character of Rose, she's always been my favorite! Look forward to seeing her back again and very interested to see how the storyline pans out.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:53
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I really like her and so do a lot of other people but most people on here seem to hate her. Why is that?
Because it was no longer called Doctor who it got renamed the Rose bloody Tyler show. Everything had to all be about her.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:58
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I don't think people hated her, she was ok but she had her time and she wasn't the best companion ever, which the show, for a while and annoyingly, painted her to be!
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:02
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I don't have a problem with Rose, more the way she was used by RTD. While she was fine in Series 1, her affection towards the Doctor after that became much more heavy-handed, and was as subtle as a brick to the face. He also had the tendency to elevate her status, and try and make her the most important character in the show, and as a result several characters suffered for this; Mickey and Martha were constantly treated as second best, and Adam and Jack were forced out of the TARDIS just so Rose and the Doctor could spend more time together alone.

His desire to portray her as the Doctor's "one true love" gave her a single-mindedness that I found tiresome. In the Series 1 and 2 finales, she ended up leaving her family in order to be with the Doctor, but her reasoning was very different each time. The first time it was about being there for the Doctor in order to show him that people cared about what happened to him, but the second time it was more about her not wanting to have a life without Doctor. This sentiment was taken to eleven in Series 4.

In the end, RTD did more harm to her character than good, and made what was originally a well-written, tragic ending that was genuinely moving, to a poorly-written happy ending that reminded me of something I would see off of fanfiction.net.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:07
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I think I am probably the only person who liked Rose all the time, was delighted when she came back, and loved the lovesick Doctor theme in series 3.
Me too can't understand the anti Rose group on this forum, mind I don't understand a lot of the arguments that go on here either, such as the who is better RTD or SM or DT or MS etc etc.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:11
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Because it was no longer called Doctor who it got renamed the Rose bloody Tyler show. Everything had to all be about her.
By whom ?: I suppose using the same argument then Matt's first 2 1/2 years should be renamed the Amy and Rory show.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:13
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By whom ?: I suppose using the same argument then Matt's first 2 1/2 years should be renamed the Amy and Rory show.
Actually I do think during their time more focus seemed to be put on Amy then they did on The Doctor really
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:22
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She was alright while she was around, but then in series 3 it became like she was the one that got away and was a bit like the ex girlfriend that the Doctor still pined over. Makes me wish Martha was there for longer because she got the crap end of the stick there- almost like a 'rebound' companion, when she coulda been great in her own right, if the shadow of Rose wasn't still around.

Donna didn't really suffer from that so much, and also because there wasn't much of a romantic undertone going on either, which made Rose coming back not quite so bad as it could have been. I can imagine if Rose had come back in the early days of Amy, and seeing a her as a rival, sneaking into Amy's house and boiling her pets in the kitchen.

So- now, a bit later on, now that the Doc is over that little lovesick crush, and we too as viewers have moved on-along with him. I just think the image of Rose NOW, is like she would be the psycho ex girlfriend who just wants no one else to have her ex boyfriend. Because she did get a double to be with, so she should be happy and content to stay in the parallel universe with him. He's still, to all intents and purposes the exact same, so if she turned up again, then it would seem a bit like she's only making sure no one else can get their mitts on him.

That's a bit of a simplistic view really, but it's just the basic image that springs to mind now, when thinking back. Maybe it could be written well, so that there is a proper reason why she might turn up again from the parallel universe? It would be very hard though- I mean how many times can a place be 'sealed up for good'. So- A Rose from the past turning up might have to be it. It was ok I guess in Tennant's final episode when we saw her before we met her, in the snow.

I do joke quite a bit by saying stuff like if Rose turns up then I hope it's just so they can kill the character off. I
She does seem to stick out as a hugely important character, and perhaps more important than she should have been. It does feel like it turned into the Rose, featuring the Doctor show, for a while when I think back.
So if she just keeps turning up again and again and again now, it'd be like that ex girlfriend who just wants to keep the Doctor dangling incase her current thing doesn't work out.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:24
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I think Rose was rightly the focus for her two seasons but the mistake was making her a ghostly presence that stuck around long after the character had left. I think there had to be a degree of that because she was so important to the Doctor post Time-war and also to the viewers of the show. But it did go too far for me.
It appears Moffat has learnt from that and so while the Ponds haven't been swiftly forgotten it has been limited to sweet references like the book in 'Bells', the Doctor wearing Amys glasses and the significance of the word Pond in 'The Snowmen'. It was clear the Doctor was grieving for their loss but it was largely unspoken whereas with Rose it became a bit of an albatross round the shows neck with the Doctors constant sulking. It made Martha less a character of her own and instead almost entirely defined by the fact she wasn't Rose and this meant Freema was ill served in her one season. And then S4 she was there again in the background throughout. It is testament to Donna and Tates brilliance that she didn't steal the limelight that season as well.

I just think RTD slightly over estimated the love for the character and took it too far. Too much of a good thing and all that.

Rose coming back for the fiftieth still excites me but imagine the power of it if she hadn't been seen since that first time on Bad Wolf Bay! It would be even more amazing. The truth is S4 would have been just as good, if not better without her in it at all. An encore too far.

Edit- I love the scene in TEOT 2 though. It was the perfect ending to the RTD era. Brilliant. And it was the moment that really finally got me and I am happy to admit there were tears. But again it would have been more powerful had she not returned previously.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:35
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If Rose appears in a future episode, then it might be an idea that she doesn't meet the 11th Doctor, more mysterious. I liked when Rose turned up to help Donna in Turn Left so something similar might be more interesting. So whoever she helps could just mention something about the 11th Doctor, like "He wears Bow ties" and it could be a little joke between them.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:53
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By whom ?: I suppose using the same argument then Matt's first 2 1/2 years should be renamed the Amy and Rory show.
That's different, that was merely the Amy & Rory era. Rose overstayed her era which is the problem, since she wasn't even that compelling a character. I don't mind River Song popping up in a Rose-ish way because River never had her era and she's properly having (an off-screen) relationship with the Doctor. Rose and her tortured relationship with the Doctor has run its course, and it never was anything special in the first place but constantly hogged the limelight.
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