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Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“Damn so Chris was tempted enough to meet up with Moffat but still declined. Tantalisingly close...
Very wise of the BBC to be clear that he's not in it and also to point out that he was never in it to put to rest all those false rumours of him changing his mind etc. Hopefully that will stop some of the bitchy comments being aimed at him (although probably not).”
“Damn so Chris was tempted enough to meet up with Moffat but still declined. Tantalisingly close...
Very wise of the BBC to be clear that he's not in it and also to point out that he was never in it to put to rest all those false rumours of him changing his mind etc. Hopefully that will stop some of the bitchy comments being aimed at him (although probably not).”
What's wrong with bitchy comments about him?
He knows what a big thing Doctor Who is and what it means to the fans. True, he doesn't owe anyone anything but I think that a reasonable human being would have given up a week or two (and get paid for it!) to make the 50th as good as it could be. (Obviously if filming clashed with something else he was doing then fair enough, but no-one's said that it has.)
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“What's wrong with bitchy comments about him? He knows what a big thing Doctor Who is and what it means to the fans. True, he doesn't owe anyone anything but I think that a reasonable human being would have given up a week or two (and get paid for it!) to make the 50th as good as it could be. (Obviously if filming clashed with something else he was doing then fair enough, but no-one's said that it has.)”
“What's wrong with bitchy comments about him?
He knows what a big thing Doctor Who is and what it means to the fans. True, he doesn't owe anyone anything but I think that a reasonable human being would have given up a week or two (and get paid for it!) to make the 50th as good as it could be. (Obviously if filming clashed with something else he was doing then fair enough, but no-one's said that it has.)”
You are joking, right? Tennant agrees to appear in it and get's no end of bitchy comments aimed at him. Oh why is he in it? He's only just left, he'll overshadow Matt Smith and hog the lime light, why are all the classic Doctors being ignored etc etc. Eccleston declines to appear (which is completely his choice) and people say he is being a spoil sport and showing a lack of respect. These actors just cannot win...
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“You are joking, right? Tennant agrees to appear in it and get's no end of bitchy comments aimed at him. Oh why is he in it? He's only just left, he'll overshadow Matt Smith and hog the lime light, why are all the classic Doctors being ignored etc etc. Eccleston declines to appear (which is completely his choice) and people say he is being a spoil sport and showing a lack of respect. These actors just cannot win...”
“You are joking, right? Tennant agrees to appear in it and get's no end of bitchy comments aimed at him. Oh why is he in it? He's only just left, he'll overshadow Matt Smith and hog the lime light, why are all the classic Doctors being ignored etc etc. Eccleston declines to appear (which is completely his choice) and people say he is being a spoil sport and showing a lack of respect. These actors just cannot win...”
Huh? I don't think it's the same people saying both things! If it were then you'd have a point.
I often wonder why people are so shocked that a forum contains a variety of opinions
That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.
A bit down now that we know this is true. I was really hoping for Nine and Eleven to meet and bicker. They could've easily been the Two and Three of the New Series.
Originally Posted by Simon Watkins:
“Huh? I don't think it's the same people saying both things! If it were then you'd have a point.
I often wonder why people are so shocked that a forum contains a variety of opinions”
“Huh? I don't think it's the same people saying both things! If it were then you'd have a point.
I often wonder why people are so shocked that a forum contains a variety of opinions
”
Different opinions are fine but I've seen some pretty vicious and nasty things said about Steven Moffat, David Tennant, Billie Piper and now Chris Eccleston. It's totally uncalled for! IN. MY. OPINION.
Originally Posted by James J:
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.”
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.”
You are joking, right?
As much as I love Doctor Who, the show was bloody lucky to have an actor of his calibre. It's funny how people can view the past with rose-tinted spectacles. Back in 2005, when the show had to prove it wasn't the joke it had been perceived as for 20 years, the view was very much that a hugely talented and acclaimed actor was lowering himself to appear in it.
Originally Posted by James J:
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.”
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.
”
Rubbish. He was a well-known and successful actor who had been in Hollywood films and big TV shows long before Doctor Who.
Originally Posted by James J:
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.”
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.
”
I have no particular opinion about C.E. one way or the other, but to say DW took him to places he couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't have reached (i.e 'higher up the ladder') in the acting world is plainly untrue. C.E. had a very healthy, prestigious and extremely respected acting career before DW, and he's maintained that afterwards. I don't see how not getting involved in something from 6 years in his past is disrespectful to anyone, sorry - that smacks of fans getting too precious over something that is only fiction after all. C.E. knows his craft, he has all the exposure he wants or needs from what I've seen and read of him. He's an actor who wants to practise his craft in many different roles - he's never repeated/revisited any role from what I can see on imdb, yet fans of the other programmes he's been in aren't calling him disrespectful, or saying he's getting more recognition than he deserves, just because he's never gone back to those roles.
You don't like him, fine - but please don't make things up based entirely on you personal opinion in order to make your point. C.E. owes DW or its fans nothing (and I'm a huge fan of DW). I liked C.E.'s interpretation, but I recognise the fact it's over now. None of the past actors owe fans anything 'by right', other than those currently under contract to appear on the show. Anyone/anything else is a bonus, and should be seen as such.
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“He seemed to me to not think it was a good part, and I think he played it quite badly. Just my opinion.
As I say, it would have been great for many of the fans, I think, to see the last 3 Doctors together, but Eccleston has decided that it won't happen. His choice, of course. Which he is fully entitled to make. My choice to think it's a bit miserable of him.”
“He seemed to me to not think it was a good part, and I think he played it quite badly. Just my opinion.
As I say, it would have been great for many of the fans, I think, to see the last 3 Doctors together, but Eccleston has decided that it won't happen. His choice, of course. Which he is fully entitled to make. My choice to think it's a bit miserable of him.”
I usualy agree with you Granny but not on this occasion. I enjoyed Chris's portrayal as the Doctor, it was certainly different from what had gone before and was sad when he decide to leave after only 1 series. I wonder why there is so much derision hurled his way for A) only doing 1 series and B) for not wanting to come back. I wonder if the internet had been around at the time of the Five Doctors if Tom would have been critiscised as much ?
Originally Posted by jerseyporter:
“I have no particular opinion about C.E. one way or the other, but to say DW took him to places he couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't have reached (i.e 'higher up the ladder') in the acting world is plainly untrue. C.E. had a very healthy, prestigious and extremely respected acting career before DW, and he's maintained that afterwards. I don't see how not getting involved in something from 6 years in his past is disrespectful to anyone, sorry - that smacks of fans getting too precious over something that is only fiction after all. C.E. knows his craft, he has all the exposure he wants or needs from what I've seen and read of him. He's an actor who wants to practise his craft in many different roles - he's never repeated/revisited any role from what I can see on imdb, yet fans of the other programmes he's been in aren't calling him disrespectful, or saying he's getting more recognition than he deserves, just because he's never gone back to those roles.
You don't like him, fine - but please don't make things up based entirely on you personal opinion in order to make your point. C.E. owes DW or its fans nothing (and I'm a huge fan of DW). I liked C.E.'s interpretation, but I recognise the fact it's over now. None of the past actors owe fans anything 'by right', other than those currently under contract to appear on the show. Anyone/anything else is a bonus, and should be seen as such.”
“I have no particular opinion about C.E. one way or the other, but to say DW took him to places he couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't have reached (i.e 'higher up the ladder') in the acting world is plainly untrue. C.E. had a very healthy, prestigious and extremely respected acting career before DW, and he's maintained that afterwards. I don't see how not getting involved in something from 6 years in his past is disrespectful to anyone, sorry - that smacks of fans getting too precious over something that is only fiction after all. C.E. knows his craft, he has all the exposure he wants or needs from what I've seen and read of him. He's an actor who wants to practise his craft in many different roles - he's never repeated/revisited any role from what I can see on imdb, yet fans of the other programmes he's been in aren't calling him disrespectful, or saying he's getting more recognition than he deserves, just because he's never gone back to those roles.
You don't like him, fine - but please don't make things up based entirely on you personal opinion in order to make your point. C.E. owes DW or its fans nothing (and I'm a huge fan of DW). I liked C.E.'s interpretation, but I recognise the fact it's over now. None of the past actors owe fans anything 'by right', other than those currently under contract to appear on the show. Anyone/anything else is a bonus, and should be seen as such.”
Too true. And compared with Sean Connery's sulk over James Bond - a role that did lift him from relative obscurity to the biggest star in the world for a while - Ecclestone's attitude to Doctor Who seems positively benign.
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“I usualy agree with you Granny but not on this occasion. I enjoyed Chris's portrayal as the Doctor, it was certainly different from what had gone before and was sad when he decide to leave after only 1 series. I wonder why there is so much derision hurled his way for A) only doing 1 series and B) for not wanting to come back. I wonder if the internet had been around at the time of the Five Doctors if Tom would have been critiscised as much ?”
“I usualy agree with you Granny but not on this occasion. I enjoyed Chris's portrayal as the Doctor, it was certainly different from what had gone before and was sad when he decide to leave after only 1 series. I wonder why there is so much derision hurled his way for A) only doing 1 series and B) for not wanting to come back. I wonder if the internet had been around at the time of the Five Doctors if Tom would have been critiscised as much ?”
Oh, it didn't need the internet back then to feel the vitriol!
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“You are joking, right? Tennant agrees to appear in it and get's no end of bitchy comments aimed at him. Oh why is he in it? He's only just left, he'll overshadow Matt Smith and hog the lime light, why are all the classic Doctors being ignored etc etc. Eccleston declines to appear (which is completely his choice) and people say he is being a spoil sport and showing a lack of respect. These actors just cannot win...”
“You are joking, right? Tennant agrees to appear in it and get's no end of bitchy comments aimed at him. Oh why is he in it? He's only just left, he'll overshadow Matt Smith and hog the lime light, why are all the classic Doctors being ignored etc etc. Eccleston declines to appear (which is completely his choice) and people say he is being a spoil sport and showing a lack of respect. These actors just cannot win...”
No I am not joking. I haven't seen any Tennant bitchy comments, but of course, like for the 10th, 20th and even 30th anniversary specials, as many actors as possible who have appeared as The Doctor should appear. Yes these actors can win - stop being up their own arses and accept a gracious invitation to appear in the 50th.
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“ Nothing in that article about bullying. I agree with Granny, to me Ecclestone has far too high an opinion of himself. But I disagree with her in that I thought he was good as The Doctor. (Wonder who he didn't get on with because he'd been in a few RTD shows before so obviously not him, or at least, not at the start.)”
“
Nothing in that article about bullying. I agree with Granny, to me Ecclestone has far too high an opinion of himself. But I disagree with her in that I thought he was good as The Doctor. (Wonder who he didn't get on with because he'd been in a few RTD shows before so obviously not him, or at least, not at the start.)”
Quote:
“ “You know, it’s easy to find a job when you’ve got no morals, you’ve got nothing to be compromised, you can go, ‘Yeah, yeah. That doesn’t matter. That director can bully that prop man and I won’t say anything about it’. But then when that director comes to you and says ‘I think you should play it like this’ you’ve surely got to go ‘How can I respect you, when you behave like that?’”
“ “You know, it’s easy to find a job when you’ve got no morals, you’ve got nothing to be compromised, you can go, ‘Yeah, yeah. That doesn’t matter. That director can bully that prop man and I won’t say anything about it’. But then when that director comes to you and says ‘I think you should play it like this’ you’ve surely got to go ‘How can I respect you, when you behave like that?’”
http://badwilf.co.uk/?p=820
Originally Posted by tardiscake:
“BBC spokesman..... who is it.... normal papers rubbish... no photos of billie either......”
“BBC spokesman..... who is it.... normal papers rubbish... no photos of billie either......”
The papers claimed Eccleston agreed to appear and then pulled out.
The BBC told DS that he was never signed on to begin with. Therefore not rubbish.
Originally Posted by James J:
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.”
“That show took him much higher up the ladder, he is so disrespectful... IMO.
Glad he's not back, he doesn't deserve the exposure.
”
Lol, Christopher Eccleston was a well known actor long before Doctor Who. He was in his 40s when he did it, it wasn't his "big break" or anything. He's not disrespectful to the show, he's had nothing but good things to say about the writing, the character and the show itself. His discontent was with the men in suits who were in charge and the manner in which the show was ran.
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“I usualy agree with you Granny but not on this occasion. I enjoyed Chris's portrayal as the Doctor, it was certainly different from what had gone before and was sad when he decide to leave after only 1 series. I wonder why there is so much derision hurled his way for A) only doing 1 series and B) for not wanting to come back. I wonder if the internet had been around at the time of the Five Doctors if Tom would have been critiscised as much ?”
“I usualy agree with you Granny but not on this occasion. I enjoyed Chris's portrayal as the Doctor, it was certainly different from what had gone before and was sad when he decide to leave after only 1 series. I wonder why there is so much derision hurled his way for A) only doing 1 series and B) for not wanting to come back. I wonder if the internet had been around at the time of the Five Doctors if Tom would have been critiscised as much ?”
Yes he would have got some. However, Tom has a defence which Ecclestone hasn't, in that the producer who removed him from the show was still in charge and it was only two years after.
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Yes he would have got some. However, Tom has a defence which Ecclestone hasn't, in that the producer who removed him from the show was still in charge and it was only two years after.”
“Yes he would have got some. However, Tom has a defence which Ecclestone hasn't, in that the producer who removed him from the show was still in charge and it was only two years after.”
How would you know?
Do you know him personally? Do you know his reasons?
No. The fact he met up with Moffat and considered appearing shows that he hasn't done it out of a grudge or anything.
He could quite easily have said no from the beginning.
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“No I am not joking. I haven't seen any Tennant bitchy comments, but of course, like for the 10th, 20th and even 30th anniversary specials, as many actors as possible who have appeared as The Doctor should appear. Yes these actors can win - stop being up their own arses and accept a gracious invitation to appear in the 50th.”
“No I am not joking. I haven't seen any Tennant bitchy comments, but of course, like for the 10th, 20th and even 30th anniversary specials, as many actors as possible who have appeared as The Doctor should appear. Yes these actors can win - stop being up their own arses and accept a gracious invitation to appear in the 50th.”
Talk about people being up their own arses. Why should he do it if he doesn't want to? Just to keep you happy? He signed a contract for a year. Not for life.
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Yes he would have got some. However, Tom has a defence which Ecclestone hasn't, in that the producer who removed him from the show was still in charge and it was only two years after.”
“Yes he would have got some. However, Tom has a defence which Ecclestone hasn't, in that the producer who removed him from the show was still in charge and it was only two years after.”
I'm surprised that you haven't had a pop at Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee yet for being inconsiderate enough to die before filming of the 50th anniversary started.
Originally Posted by Benjamin Sisko:
“Don't worry, in a couple of decades he'll express his regret and then start doing Big Finish audios, much like the other one who refused an anniversary appearance...”
“Don't worry, in a couple of decades he'll express his regret and then start doing Big Finish audios, much like the other one who refused an anniversary appearance...
”
Glad I'm not the only one who likens Eccleston to Tom Baker's 'I am NOT the Doctor' phase back in the 80s. I will not deny. I would love to see a BFA featuring Eccleston, however unlikely it may be.
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“I'm surprised that you haven't had a pop at Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee yet for being inconsiderate enough to die before filming of the 50th anniversary started.”
“I'm surprised that you haven't had a pop at Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee yet for being inconsiderate enough to die before filming of the 50th anniversary started.”
I knew there was a reason why I hated them !
As upset as I am about the fact that he isn't in it, I agree that it's his decision, and I don't see why Fandom should throw a temper tantrum and start calling him ungrateful.
Probably connected to Caroline Skinner leaving and the fact that Moffat is one of the most arrogant people involved with Who.
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“Talk about people being up their own arses. Why should he do it if he doesn't want to? Just to keep you happy? He signed a contract for a year. Not for life.”
“Talk about people being up their own arses. Why should he do it if he doesn't want to? Just to keep you happy? He signed a contract for a year. Not for life.”
What a stupid thing to say. He clearly doesn't have to do it if he doesn't want to - he's not doing it(!)
However, it's the perfectly valid opinion for the poster to hold that therefore criticises his attitude to the show.
Personally, I don't even want him back. Don't much like divas and luvvies. It's often actors that are often the ones who are "up themself" if anyone. Can't have seen him lasting five minutes with one of Moffat's temper tantrums either.
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“So, basically, they left Granny McSmith in charge of casting?
Typical (IMO). The Zygons beat up Alpha Centauri so the tenth Doctor steps in to help, egged on by a hologram of the second Doctor.
Oh well. I never expected CE to be in it, but it would have been nice. He was never a fan if the show and is well known as someone who wants to keep moving forward with roles. Did us all a great favour by doing such a good job (*blows raspberry in direction of a certain diva casting agent*)
The BBC should get revenge, though, by making half the special out of ninth doctor clips. just to annoy him.”
“So, basically, they left Granny McSmith in charge of casting?
Typical (IMO). The Zygons beat up Alpha Centauri so the tenth Doctor steps in to help, egged on by a hologram of the second Doctor. Oh well. I never expected CE to be in it, but it would have been nice. He was never a fan if the show and is well known as someone who wants to keep moving forward with roles. Did us all a great favour by doing such a good job (*blows raspberry in direction of a certain diva casting agent*)
The BBC should get revenge, though, by making half the special out of ninth doctor clips. just to annoy him.
”
Yes, the casting's fine by me - if they include McGann! (Stop teasing me with AC references
)Of course, the greatest favour Eccleston did me was to leave.
**Flounces out, in best diva style**
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