i just had a chat about him to someone on a FB BB forum and this person said they liked him during BB but called him a C claiming that since BB he had become cocky and arrogant is this fair or true?

I've seen him on Twitter at times and I'd hardly describe him as a ****. I still like him

He is invariably thoughtful, polite and charming on twitter and facebook, and I have never, ever heard anyone say that they have met him and not liked him. There is nothing in the least cocky about him - he has said since day one that he is not a celebrity and he has never behaved like one at all.

People loved him, then as soon as he beat Deana turned on him.

I guess one person's opinion doesn't represent everyone's attitude towards him. I don't think he seems cocky or arrogant at all, he seems the same person we saw on the show.

Why is he trying to sell merchandise on his website then ? which include 'LA Army T shirts'.

It was set up by other people, not him. Loads of ex housemates have had websites with something for sale - any fan can set one up if they want. It doesn't mean that all those ex housemates deserve to be calle c***s.

As a matter of fact, until he appears on BOTS, I don't think it is really appropriate for people to claim that they have heard someone say that someone said he is anything. He has an ordinary job, and apart from a couple of local charity events he hangs out with his perfectly ordinary friends. Going on BB does not mean that you are deprived of any private life forever.

So what, he is still promoting it on twitter and who do you think all the T Shirt money is going to?

And no, only a very small percentage of housemates have actually attempted to sell merchandise

I agree with the 2nd part of your post however, he clearly is acting and promoting himself as a celebrity like it or not.

Having spoken to Luke several times, he seems exactly the same as when he was in BB. He is always polite and very kind. Until you have evidence to the contrary first hand, I don't see how you can make assumptions.

If your only evidence that he is 'acting like a celebrity' is that some fans of his have set up a website, I think we can dismiss it. He is not PERSONALLY acting like a celebrity at all; you would go a long way to find someone more humble about their success; you can see on Twitter how friendly and nice he is to anyone who is pleasant to him, in spite of a horrible level of groundless trolling he has suffered. I don't suppose anyone is really making money out of the website. The 'LArmy' group is a small, close group, and some of them wanted shirts to wear to a couple of functions that are coming up, that is all.

And this has just appeared on facebook - but stuff like this appears quite a lot. It seems to me a textbook example of how a minor celebrity deals nicely with being recognised. He went to a local gig; someone recognised him, got excited, and had a long conversation with him; sweetly, this then gave her bragging rights on facebook.

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As is invariably the case in these things, doesn't that give the impression of someone who is just friendly and likeable?

Lots of people get trolled on twitter not just Luke A and I dont see what the facebook thing had to do with anything.

He has no reason not be humble either he hasn't achieved anything except won a reality show stacked in his favour from the get go.

I also dont see why anyone would have bragging rights because they met someone who isnt famous any more despite how much they still want to be.

The LA army t shirts arent the only ones available btw and if you think his website is just there for his fans and not to make money then that is pretty naive.

I reckon 99% of viewers either don't care or have forgotten who he is.

Oh please. It wasn't 'stacked in his favour' at all: for days at a time in the early weeks he was barely shown. If people had actually liked Luke S and Ashleigh, they had far more positive attention early on. They only stopped being shown when it was obvious that no one enjoyed watching them. BB editors are not suicidal: they will focus on people viewers want to see, once the news gets through. Are people really still trying to bleat on about it not being fair that he won?

I can't see what point you are trying to make. A young woman is excited to have spent time with last year's BB winner. She tells her friends so on facebook. Are you trying to make something adverse about that, or about the fact that Luke was friendly to her?


Who is Lauren's website and merchandise for? Those who dislike her? Who is Benedict's website and merchandise for? Those who dislike him? Why would someone other than a fan buy the merchandise of any of them?

And he actually won too

Laurens website doesn't sell merchandise and i'm not clicking on Benedicts. Laurens is more of just a fan website for interaction whereas Luke A's seems designed to sell merchandise and milk whats remaining of his dwindling notoriety.

Hmm. Neither part of that seems right to me. There were plenty who already didn't love him well before be beat Deana, and when Luke won, most Deana fans seemed to be glad one of the 'soldiers' had won, rather than turning against him.


I think it would be interesting to know why the person thought he was cocky and arrogant though. It might turn out not to be a good reason, but there is presumably something that changed the person's mind about Luke.

There was someone who claimed a while back that Luke had bought Twitter followers, but the claim was quickly discredited.

In this thread, all that's been brought up is a web site selling T-shirts.

And in any case, there's no evidence that either of those things led to the view reported in the OP.


Sorry, but I cannot make sense of that. The OP is a 'heard someone say' not a 'heard someone say that someone said', and what would appearing on BOTS have to do with whether it was appropriate or not?

Luke has nothing to do with that website, a few of his fans made it and are selling the merchandise.

Lauren's website sells tee shirts, presumably for fans, as Luke's does. Why are you trying to pretend it doesn't? The main thrust of her website seems to be to promote what she describes as her 'acting and modelling career'. Any objection? Luke's website makes no mention of any media aspirations at all. In his bio he says that : "My goal is to continue promoting awareness for our community and to help as much as I can" - which he is doing, quietly. Which of the two sounds more hopeful of being a celebrity? Not Luke, clearly.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I think it's nonsense: there is no one for Luke to be cocky and arrogant TO. He has an ordinary job, where he clearly gets on well with his colleagues, and in his spare time he does ordinary things with his ordinary, often very long-standing, friends. When people post on twitter that they have met him, they are invariably impressed by how polite and friendly he is. I have literally never seen anyone say anything different.

There has been a falling out among fans which he was powerless to prevent and did nothing to cause. Obviously he would far rather it had not happened. But it did, and left some people feeling very angry.


This is a site for discussing Big Brother. When Luke appears on BOTS, naturally people might want to assess how he has come over. But since at present he is doing no media work at all, but living the life, as far as he can, of a private citizen, I don't really think it is for this forum, always hungry for ammunition against him, to try and contrive some. No evidence of any 'cocky and arrogant' behaviour has been offered and I can't imagine what such evidence would look like, since it seems to me wildly wrong.

Interesting that Lauren's criticised in a thread about Luke.

Anyway, "Luke's website", "Luke's website"? Do the HMs have some involvement in these sites or not?


People on Twitter or Facebook?


Ok, but if the falling out is merely among fans, why would it lead anyone to say Luke was cocky or arrogant? Did Luke take sides?


Since when do we discuss past HMs only when they've been on BOTS or done media work? I agree that "going on BB does not mean that you are deprived of any private life forever", but this thread isn't intruding into his private life.

Besides, wasn't Luke interviewed on the Alan Titchmarsh show less than a month ago? Perhaps that's not paid media work, but it's not just carrying on with private, ordinary life either.

Whatever happened to him he won and was forgotten about by the end of the weekend.

They need a more interesting winner this time to be seen on shows afterwards

He has a whole section dedicated to media and on Laurens website there is nothing for sale at all, no T Shirts nothing.

I wasn't criticising Lauren at all. There is no reason in the world why she should not get modelling work - she is extremely striking - and obviously part of the deal is that she has to be willing to promote herself. I was just pointing out that someone setting up a website for a BB contestant does not make them desperate, or arrogant, or any other derogatory term.


Luke was obviously asked to write the short biography. But the site was set up by fans.




Yes, you could be cocky and arrogant on twitter or facebook (twitter more so I think). Billi Bhatti seems to have made a career out of it. But obviously if Luke had been cocky and arrogant in twitter it would be in the public domain, and would have been commented on endlessly here by the people whose radar is endlessly tuned to 'bad stuff about Luke'.




Only in the sense that he stayed friends with existing friends. He was a victim, not a perpetrator.


Yes he was. Anyone is welcome to say anything they like about that. I thought he came over well in the five minutes he had. But clearly if the OP was referring to anything (which is still in doubt) they were not referring to media work. He hasn 't been doing zeleb stuff or posing for the paparazzi; as far as anyone can tell from twitter he has invariably been polite and friendly to anyone he has met or spoken to since BB. So either they were referring to nothing, or a private grudge was being settled.

He was no more forgotten about than any other housemate from the last few years, except Josie, if you like that kind of fame.

I think this might be the reason why some people feel aggrieved or maybe it didn't have anything to do with that and they didn't really like him during big brother.


He did an interview on the Alan Titchmarsh show, which is more than most of the contestants have done since leaving the house. I think he was a very interesting winner but i don't think this has anything to do with his lack of media opportunities, the media don't seem to have much of an interest in big brother contestants since it moved to channel 5.

What is WRONG with you, that you keep denying what is obviously there?

http://www.whoruwearing.co.uk/produc...ren-carre-tee/

Here you are. Take your pick.

You seemed to accept that being hopeful of being a celebrity was a negative and seemed to be saying Lauren was guilty of that and Luke innocent. The comparison in "Which of the two sounds more hopeful of being a celebrity? Not Luke, clearly." seemed implicitly critical of her.


But what is the significance of it being "set up by fans"? Most celebs who have web sites don't set them up: they have or let someone with the requisite technical knowledge do that. A site that's merely a fan site about a person, P, isn't normally described as P's site; and this site is being called "Luke's website".


Not everything on Twitter and Facebook is publicly visible.


And would those on the other side (the one without the existing friends) think Luke was cocky or arrogant for staying friends with those existing friends?


Why, when discussing a HM, should we have to be referring to media work?

And, I say again, since when do we discuss past HMs only when they've been on BOTS or done media work? Normally, we feel free to discuss any past HM whenever we want and regardless of whether the HM still has media attention or media work (and regardless of whether any new information has come along). "What is you attitude to ___ now?" seems a legitimate question to me, even if the reason someone's asking is that someone else said they'd changed their view.

You seem to be inventing new rules for what counts as legitimate comment that have never been applied to any other housemate.