Hello and welcome to the forum. If nothing we post can ever change anyone's mind, there is not much point in having a forum at all. I am happy to say that DS posts have often made me re-think things. I do not start threads about Luke, but if people attack him in a way that seems unreasonable, I will defend him. They are then of course free to justify their argument, and the same applies to me.

Becky, for example, would turn it into a big drama, starring herself as the put upon victim.[/quote]

Who's Becky?

Who's Becky? [/quote]

I wish I could have forgotten who she is

Started off annoying, but quickly revealed that she was actually really annoying.

Thank you for the welcome.

I believe a forum to be about discussion and not about changing peoples mind about a particular person. You feel someone was unjustly attacking Luke whereas I wouldn't call it attacking, I just see it as someone putting their view across as to how they see things. I was a huge fan of Lukes when he was in the house but unfortunately recent events have opened my eyes that Luke is just like the rest of us, and not perfect, not that I ever thought he was because obviously no one is. The way you are defending him it seems he can do no wrong in your eyes but he is human and will say and do things that some people won't like so of course people have their own views. I'm not attacking you and I certainly hope you don't see it as that but I just wanted to put my two pennarth worth in because it was all becoming rather boring and seemed to me like you were flogging a dead horse. I could sense your frustration
As I said, people will believe what they want to believe because some people are bloody minded like that. I will however say I do applaud you for your loyalty to Luke but as I said in my last post, he is a big boy and hopefully can deal with the inevitable negativity he may acquire having been in the Big Brother house without someone having to defend him to the death He's an intelligent guy who I would hope wasn't delusional or niave enough to think that every single person would like what or who he is or that everyone would like what he does. For me, the most important thing for Luke to do is keep grounded and not let this 'fame' thing go to his head which unfortunately I see hints of that happening.

Then there isn't much point to having a forum, because (for a variety of reasons) it's rare for internet discussions to change minds.

But why think it should be about changing minds?


I agree. However ...


It is sometimes possible to change what someone wants to believe, and some people want to believe what's true and will change their minds if something shows things were different than they'd thought.

yeah, I stand corrected after thinking about what you just said I changed my mind LOL

Very true, still not the worst Rebecca Big Brothers seen though.

Stop reading?


Evidence?


Evidence? Are you inside his head?


If people 'attack', why shouldn't people 'defend'? This is a BB forum after all.

Ah, I've found a possible answer .....


....... you feel there was no attacking, but you do think there was defending. All in the eye of the beholder, I guess!


This doesn't make much sense. If you always knew he wasn't perfect, how have your eyes been opened?


If I were Luke, I would have more important things to be doing than this.

True, true. And imo NONE of the Rebeccas (with variant spelling) have been brilliant. It seems an ill-fated name. Compare the Rachels, who have all been quite nice.

I think, unless someone has personal experience of Luke barking "out of the way, you miserable worm!" we have probably reached the limits of our discussion about whether he has become more big headed over time. In my dealings with him, I have found him modest and kind. In Tozzies, he has become a bit big headed. We may never know any more.

I still hope Luke will stay grounded and not be influenced by the wrong people, there are people out there who are great manipulators and its so easy to be taken in. I wish I could protect him from that to help keep him geniune like the person I saw in that house. We all know the dangers of becoming famous and I like Luke and want no harm to come to him. I'm not dissing Luke and never would because I know he has a good heart.

I think he could have gotten along quite well with Luke S if he hadn't chosen to cut ties with him a few nights into the show and I also feel Luke S was driven by others rather than himself which made him quite unlikeable. Becky was awful too, not many people in the house were that likeable I thought Adam personally should have won.

I was pleased that Adam came out with £5000 and a big tv. In fact I would like there to be second and third prizes.

I liked Adam, but ...


Where Adam lost for me was his reaction to Deana mentioning his name in a context he thought would make HMs nominate him. I don't think I've seen a HM so worried by something like that, and it made it seem he'd been hoping to fly below the radar all the way to the final, despite his friends being picked off around him.

Re Lukes A and S, what is the current thinking on why Luke A had a problem with Luke S? At first, the leading idea was that Luke S was too controlling in the kitchen; then Luke A said it was because Luke S was a cool guy with a great body; and after that, I lost track.

(I like the idea of 2nd and 3rd prizes, but I also want a smaller 1st prize. £50,000 is the most I'd think acceptable.)

But we all know he wasn't a great housemate or was exciting. But he did win and the competition from most of the housemates wasn't that great. Deana and Adam was the only two who were going to challenge him for the win.

I wanted to see if you were willing to back up your speculation. The underlying tone of your original posts didn't come across as dispassionately as you were trying to present it, so I wanted to give you a chance to support your claim as something more than hearsay. However, you aren't willing, so naturally I have to discount it. Personally if you're not willing to back up the claim, I don't think you should make it public in the first place.


So just to be clear: when you (and others) 'criticise' Luke that's not attacking. But when I (and others) challenge what you say, that is attacking and/or defending. Yep, clear as mud.



I'm sure your concern for both Luke and Wonkeydonkey does you great credit.

I wasn't looking for credit, think what you will of me, it doesn't really matter. I've got other things to worry about rather than worrying what someone I don't even know thinks of me.

I think he faced more of a challenge than the last two winners, to be honest. He was a great housemate to ME. It is not an objective term that can be measured with a greatometer.

I think Luke was trying, very awkwardly (because he was not at ease with Luke S at all) to take the blame onto himself when he had that conversation with him. The problem seemed to stem from the first shopping list, when Luke S took sole control and refused to listen to Luke A's input at all; (we have Sheivonne and Ashleigh's word for that, and they had no reason to exaggerate); we know from subsequent conversations, not by Luke A, that Luke S was then very controlling in the kitchen, deciding exactly what would go where and who would use it. This is probably fairly common in a BB house, but will only work if (as in BB8 or 11) there is not much interest in the role. In BB13 we disastrously had a professional chef who was rather shy and diffident but thought he should have a role in making food decisions, and a politely oblivious Mr Control who was so sure that his decisions were sensible ones that he did not even notice that someone was trying to disagree. It was problematic because the only part of it we actually saw was a brief shot of Luke A sitting on the floor while the other men discussed the shopping; it was only in a later conversation between Sheivonne and ashleigh that we learned that it was "silly" that "no one listened to him".

When Luke A said the stuff about Luke S's body, he obviously didn't want to say "you're really rude the way you ignore my suggestions", probably rightly deciding that that would not achieve his aim of making peace; so he (rather nicely I thought) stuck to framing the dispute in a way that was rather flattering to Luke S. And he seemed sincere in his wish to make peace: he stopped ranting about Luke S and never nominated him again.

Please bear with me folks. I have something to say on this but I'm wondering how best to phrase it. In the meantime if anyone has any specific instances of Luke being cocky or arrogant I would like to hear them.

I thought Luke A was good when he was arguing with Becky and showed her up for what she was.

Absolute tv gold and the fact he wasn't ranting and raving but so calm at the time made it even better.

As for him being called cocky and arrogant I can only judge on my own experience and personally have found him kind, funny and generous with his time.

One of the most likable winners the show as had. I did want Adam to win though. I do think him being stuck with so many vile housemates helped him though. I think in a normal season, he would have been seen as a controversial housemate. Possibly too marmite to win. For example I thought Aaron was a prick the season before, really disliked him. However put him on Luke's season, and I would have maybe liked him.

May I ask what other things have happened that are publicly known?

I don't think it is fair or true to say that Luke has become cocky or arrogant since he won. He is very thoughtful, polite and charming on twitter to people who support him and his closest supporters, although not always quite so nice to those he thinks are criticising him or some of the people he has surrounded himself with. He insists, quite rightly, that he is not a celebrity and doesn't behave like one remaining very modest about his achievements. It is some fans of his, with whom he has now become friends, who set up and maintain the website and I agree it should be made clear who is benefiting from the proceeds so that people know who their money is going to and can choose whether or not to purchase items on that basis, although I doubt if it is much of an issue because it is unlikely that many items are sold. The people who set it up are trying to start a business creating and maintaining sites for other people and hope to use this one as an opportunity to showcase their skills. Luke spends a lot of time out socially with them but while I have no doubt that they enjoy the attention they get being in Luke's company, I do not for one minute believe that is their only motivation or that they do not genuinely care for Luke, I am very sure they do.

I don't think he is currently working as chef, he definitely was for a while but has stopped posting anything work-related and some fans did say they had turned up to his place of work and were told he no longer worked there. However, whether he is or is not working is immaterial really, that's his business.

More to follow

Are you sure you want me to answer that? The most obvious example is pretty well known, but there seems to be considerable opposition to discussing it, and the thread about it was deleted.