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TV DX receiving distant TV signals
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ProtexBlue
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by Homers:
“Okay, thanks a lot for the info. Just two questions: Have the signals for foreign TV become stronger this year than before? Also do you know if the North East (Tyneside Newcastle etc.) and Norfolk can receive foreign channels by DTT?”

On the Durham coast pointing at Bilsdale I regularly pick up the German muxes during lift conditions.
Homers
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by ProtexBlue:
“On the Durham coast pointing at Bilsdale I regularly pick up the German muxes during lift conditions.”

What are some of the channels you receive?
ProtexBlue
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by Homers:
“What are some of the channels you receive?”

Kabel Eins, Sat 1, Zdf. 3sat, Arte, Das Erste etc. 18 channels in total still in my epg from the last scan a week or two ago.
JonCollett
26-07-2013
Dutch signals are active on CH39 at the moment.
Homers
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by ProtexBlue:
“Kabel Eins, Sat 1, Zdf. 3sat, Arte, Das Erste etc. 18 channels in total still in my epg from the last scan a week or two ago.”

Interesting. Don't you have RTL or Nickelodeon (FTA)?
JonCollett
23-08-2013
Hello

The Noord Holland, West and Utrcht MUXes are all coming in loud and clear here on the Lincs coast.

Happy Dxing.

Jon
tr_ramsgate
06-09-2013
Here is a list of Dutch transmitters with locations and powers, transmitting on channel 52.

MUX-1 Veenendaal V 19.95
MUX-1 Alphen aan den Rijn (Alticom) V 10
MUX-1 Den Haag (Alticom/Novec) V 10
MUX-1 Den Haag (Scheveningen Radio) V 10
MUX-1 Den Haag (Zichtenburg) V 10
MUX-1 Oegstgeest V 15.14
MUX-1 Zoetermeer V 10


Which of these transmitters is most likely - through a combination of bearing, height of transmitter, distance and power - to be responsible for blanking out my reception of French TV on channel 52 from Dunkerque.

Dunkerque is on a bearing of 125 degrees for me in Ramsgate.
JonCollett
06-09-2013
Hi

This is an educated guess only, but I suspect that Den Haag is more likely than say Veenendaal (based on the fact that the same channel is in use, and must not be causing co-channel interference within the Netherlands). Veenendaal is further in land (south of Amsterdam).

Alphen aan den rijn is east of Den Haag. Oegstgeest is north east of Den Hagg.

Zoetermeer could also be a contender, as it is just slightly east of the Hague (almost on the same bearing).

Anyone else care to speculate?

Best regards

Jon
tr_ramsgate
07-09-2013
After much Googling found this http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T-frequenties

Now I can eliminate the low power stations on channel 52 as the source of co-channelling. Among the remaining transmitters I guess it would be height that is the determining factor provided the output is not directional away from the UK..
tr_ramsgate
07-09-2013
Here http://radio-tv-nederland.nl/dvbt/digitenne-kpntv.html. Also links to photo's

Now need link to find directionality of output
tr_ramsgate
17-09-2013
I have been mucking about with Google maps and it seems that the direct line line from my roof aerial to the Dunkerque transmitter may clip or actually pass through the upper story of a tall building some 100 metres distant on the sea front.

Repositioning the aerial to the right a bit would give an unobstructed line of sight. Would this much improve the signal strength and quality of my most marginal reception on channel 52 from Dunkerque?

I would be a bit of a palaver to get the aerial re-sited. Could it be worth doing?
marceljack
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by tr_ramsgate:
“Repositioning the aerial to the right a bit would give an unobstructed line of sight. Would this much improve the signal strength and quality of my most marginal reception on channel 52 from Dunkerque?

I would be a bit of a palaver to get the aerial re-sited. Could it be worth doing?”

Hi,
Very difficult to predict but of course channel 52 is relatively high in the UHF band and therefore sensitive to obstacles...
But if the building is not very recent, it's relatively unlikely that it's the main reason of your problem.
tr_ramsgate
19-09-2013
Generally, the bearing of one's Yagi aerial, whether for DX or normal reception, won't make much difference.

But I notice from polar diagrams of aerial responses at higher frequency channels that a few degrees shift in the aerial can make a big difference in the reception an off-beam signal at around 50 degrees off-beam.

This is relevant in my case for Dunkerque reception since I have potential co-channelling from both Holland and Neufchatel in France.

I found this site useful in determing the bearing of the sun by the sun dial method at a particular place on the globe and at a particular time of day in a particular year.

http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/prope...-high-accuracy
tr_ramsgate
22-09-2013
I've noticed that occasionally, when the weather is conducive, I can get a signal from GrandLille TV (a very low power local station servicing the town) which is a testimony to the magic of the routing of signals round the curvature of the earth that can sometimes happen.

On Channel 36, if anybody wants to have a go.
JonCollett
23-09-2013
Evening all. There is a lift on at the moment from the west. I am getting the Winter Hill MUXes here on the extreme east coast of Lincs.

Is anyone else getting anything? Over on the radio forum there are reports of getting BBC Cornwall in Sussex.
Mark C
24-09-2013
Originally Posted by JonCollett:
“Evening all. There is a lift on at the moment from the west. I am getting the Winter Hill MUXes here on the extreme east coast of Lincs.

Is anyone else getting anything? Over on the radio forum there are reports of getting BBC Cornwall in Sussex.”

My reception of the BBC mux from Hannington was destroyed
by co channel interference at 22:30hrs last night, all the more remarkable because the mast at Hannington is visible from the receiving aerial !
jimbo
24-09-2013
And adding to that, I am in the Winter Hill area, and got Bilsdale Mux 1 and 2 (ch 26 and 29 respectively) coming in and out until around 1400.

It did not mess up the Winter Hill or Moel Y Parc I normally get.

I have never had Bilsdale in this area before. Normally I get Emley Moor, and on one occasion I got Divis - but that was before DSO.
jimbo
24-09-2013
UPDATE

Winder Hill and 4G

Just to say that there is now 4G traffic on Winter Hill on Channels 62, 63 and 64.

It does not look like MPEG2 but odd lines on screen and a whiteness on picture when using an RF mod tuned to that frequency.
Winston_1
24-09-2013
Interesting. In London on 820MHz, between ch 64 & 65 get a white screen with black horizontals slowly moving to the right.
radioredcat
27-09-2013
I am currently receiving TF1 HD/France 2 HD/M6 HD uhf CH 31 and 6ter/Numero 23/RMC Decouverte uhf CH 35.

Also FM has been good all day.

Andy
tr_ramsgate
28-09-2013
Not often, but sometimes (eg last night) I find channels 34 and 37 from Boulogne zapped by co-channelling. Who are the culrits?

As regards my occasional interference with reception of channel 53 from Dunkerque, I am beginning to think it may not be channel 52 from Holland, but channel 52 from Amiens.

It would be a great advantage for DXers to have some site on the net at which you could enter a channel and find all transmitters using that channel within say a 200 mile range. Anybody know of such a site?
Wobbly Steve
28-09-2013
Sandy Heath Tx.......Corby area, full box reset as BBC signal broke up, as picture had done the previous day watching Yesterday....

Reset of box found no BBC muxes at all....

Did find the following....

809 - TF1 HD
809 - France 2 HD
810 - M6HD
812 - D8
813 - BFM TV
814 - i>TELE
815 - D17
816 - Gulli
817 - France 4
818 - GRAND LILLE TV - (only channel watchable)
819 - ZDF
820 - 3sat
821 - ZDFinfo
822 - neo/KIKA

.....oh and True Entertainment on CH 61 - The Waltons !!
fmradiotuner1
28-09-2013
London freeview been really bad here channels 23 and 26 have signal but 22 , 25 and 28 all down.
Tried Sudbury to and cannot get channels 58 or 60 at all even with aerial that way round so have put it back to London .
radioredcat
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by tr_ramsgate:
“Not often, but sometimes (eg last night) I find channels 34 and 37 from Boulogne zapped by co-channelling. Who are the culrits?

As regards my occasional interference with reception of channel 53 from Dunkerque, I am beginning to think it may not be channel 52 from Holland, but channel 52 from Amiens.

It would be a great advantage for DXers to have some site on the net at which you could enter a channel and find all transmitters using that channel within say a 200 mile range. Anybody know of such a site?”

Fmlist does just that as we use it for FM but now it has a TV section.
You need to join and set up your location.

Andy
JonCollett
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by Wobbly Steve:
“Sandy Heath Tx.......Corby area, full box reset as BBC signal broke up, as picture had done the previous day watching Yesterday....

Reset of box found no BBC muxes at all....

Did find the following....

809 - TF1 HD
809 - France 2 HD
810 - M6HD
812 - D8
813 - BFM TV
814 - i>TELE
815 - D17
816 - Gulli
817 - France 4
818 - GRAND LILLE TV - (only channel watchable)
819 - ZDF
820 - 3sat
821 - ZDFinfo
822 - neo/KIKA

.....oh and True Entertainment on CH 61 - The Waltons !!”

France and Germany too. Well done, good catch.
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