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Old 06-04-2013, 15:57
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This is the place for political discussion about LBC 97.3 Radio and it's contents from a political point of view. Please use this thread to discuss: the political points and views from the presenters on LBC programmes.
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:01
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Many feel that the Station has become too obsessed with Politics and is too slanted to the right these days. Do you agree? Would you like to see more balance and less political content? I am warming to Iain Dale and agree with him that the station isn't 100% politics, although it is getting close!
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:09
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Many feel that the Station has become too obsessed with Politics and is too slanted to the right these days. Do you agree? Would you like to see more balance and less political content? I am warming to Iain Dale and agree with him that the station isn't 100% politics, although it is getting close!
What you have to remember whether it is too slanted to the right these days or not, it is a Management decision. Unfortunately they are not going to take a lot of notice of people who rant and rave (!!) on these forums. Maybe if you were to enter personal correspondence with James Rea for example, he maybe to address your views.

BTW Those that are here and want the non-politics thread (!), it can be found at here.
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:13
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What you have to remember whether it is too slanted to the right these days or not, it is a Management decision. Unfortunately they are not going to take a lot of notice of people who rant and rave (!!) on these forums. Maybe if you were to enter personal correspondence with James Rea for example, he maybe to address your views.

BTW Those that are here and want the non-politics thread (!), it can be found at here.
The last time I contacted the station I didn't receive a reply, however thank you for your advice to contact James Rea contact details. I think this is a good suggestion. Do you have a link for people to contact Mr Rea?
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:17
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What you have to remember whether it is too slanted to the right these days or not, it is a Management decision. Unfortunately they are not going to take a lot of notice of people who rant and rave (!!) on these forums. Maybe if you were to enter personal correspondence with James Rea for example, he maybe to address your views.

BTW Those that are here and want the non-politics thread (!), it can be found at here.
Whilst I'd like more content like Nick Abbot (especially at a slightly earlier hour), I don't mind political radio. I'd listen to a radio version of Private Eye 24 hours a day if it existed. I don't even mind right wing political radio if done well and the presenting style is not too histrionic; I like Iain Dale's shows, even if I disagree with a lot of what he says.

My problem has been the denial of other posters to accept the right wing stance of the station and see it as 'natural' or 'default' and any deviation of this - such as O'Brien, who is actually more centrist than left wing on a lot of things - is seen as a lunatic trotsky or a champagne socialist. Or that any show was only too political if it ran counter to Nick Ferrari's take on a subject.
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:22
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Many feel that the Station has become too obsessed with Politics and is too slanted to the right these days. Do you agree? Would you like to see more balance and less political content? I am warming to Iain Dale and agree with him that the station isn't 100% politics, although it is getting close!
I've always like Iain Dale as a presenter, or at least his presenting style. But whilst the station isn't 100% politics, as he rightly said, the political prism that the presenters place on 'news', 'current affairs' and 'issues' mean that much of it becomes squarely placed in 'party politics'. I'm tired of hearing how it was New Labour's fault - whatever 'it' is. Especially as it's a bit disingenuous to then make out New Labour were 'lefty'.
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:25
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Many feel that the Station has become too obsessed with Politics and is too slanted to the right these days. Do you agree? Would you like to see more balance and less political content? I am warming to Iain Dale and agree with him that the station isn't 100% politics, although it is getting close!
I would personally like to see a complete ban on politics on the overnight shows unless it was a major breaking story.
This is the time for more light than shade.
Although I appreciate those who work night shifts may disagree, this is a purely personal point of view.

I would also like any discussion on politics to be handled by presenters who really know what they are talking about.
And who preferably were politically more middle-of-the-road than right or left wing.
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:26
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I've always like Iain Dale as a presenter, or at least his presenting style. But whilst the station isn't 100% politics, as he rightly said, the political prism that the presenters place on 'news', 'current affairs' and 'issues' mean that much of it becomes squarely placed in 'party politics'. I'm tired of hearing how it was New Labour's fault - whatever 'it' is. Especially as it's a bit disingenuous to then make out New Labour were 'lefty'.
I hated Iain Dale at first, but after hearing his book club and one of his shows, I still don't agree with his politics, but am willing to give him another go. New Labour were just Tories in my view anyhow!
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:37
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I hated Iain Dale at first, but after hearing his book club and one of his shows, I still don't agree with his politics, but am willing to give him another go. New Labour were just Tories in my view anyhow!
The book review/interview was good last night. The desertion thing was really interesting and always terribly sad: execution of the shell-shocked in WWI is shameful and it's appalling how the government still takes a stand on this. Given the government will capitalise on the anniversary next year for cheap jingoism (run out of Royal weddings, jubiless and olympics) they should actually do something for the families of those executed - especially how they like to say they 'help our boys and girls on the front'. 'Shell-shocked' is a mental health issue and recognised as such now. Imagine the government executing those who'd lost too many limbs to fight and still defending their stand a 100 years later.

Also produced a good trivia factoid: only 10% of American forces during WWII saw action!
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Old 06-04-2013, 16:40
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I would personally like to see a complete ban on politics on the overnight shows unless it was a major breaking story.
This is the time for more light than shade.
Although I appreciate those who work night shifts may disagree, this is a purely personal point of view.

I would also like any discussion on politics to be handled by presenters who really know what they are talking about.
And who preferably were politically more middle-of-the-road than right or left wing.
That's been a problem with all the politics and opinion pieces. Very few of the presenters have any real idea of what they're speaking of, at least in terms of experience. Even someone who seems to care and is sympathetic to the plight of others, like O'Brien, admits he's too removed to really empathise and people like Nick Ferrari just live in a different world entirely.
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Old 06-04-2013, 17:01
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Many feel that the Station has become too obsessed with Politics and is too slanted to the right these days. Do you agree? Would you like to see more balance and less political content? I am warming to Iain Dale and agree with him that the station isn't 100% politics, although it is getting close!
I like the fact the LBC discusses political matters often and wouldn't want it to go back to the days of Jim Davis and his Friday night sex hour or Pete Murray's psychic fraudsters shows. The issue I have with LBC at the moment is that so much of the politics is the same, same stories covered from a similar angle.

On the days when I get a newspaper early, I can predict which stories are most likely to be covered by all of Nick Ferrari, James O'Brien and Julia Hartley-Brewer with a great deal of accuracy. If there is a story about so-called "benefit scroungers" or immigration, Steve Allen (who supposedly never covers politics) will also discuss it. Probably the biggest political story at the moment is the tensions between North and South Korea but it really hasn't been discussed much on LBC as presenters generally preferred to use their air time to discuss a bogus connection between the receipt of benefits and being a mass child killer.
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Old 06-04-2013, 17:03
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Old 06-04-2013, 17:39
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The station does seem to want to concentrate on Political stories as it's in the heart of the capital where the politicians do there work from.
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Old 06-04-2013, 18:51
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The political discussions on LBC all clearly illustrate that lefty-weftyism is some sort of mental disorder or delusion, which in the arena of ideas, discussion and debate is always exposed as such because the lefty-wefty arguments always fall flat and fail miserably when scrutinised or examined. I bet the individuals who went cry-babying to the mods about the other thread being too political were the lefty-wefties who did so because they were always losing the arguments.

Unfortunately though, lefty-weftyism as a political system can take hold of a nation like a disease. It reaches critical mass as it has done of late in the UK and the USA and then avoiding destruction (as it always has done in other nations and always will do) becomes extremely difficult. In our case, The Farridge (as often heard and talked-about on LBC) may be our only hope now.

In terms of talk radio shows, very few that take a lefty-wefty stance have ever been able to attract an audience or become popular as a listening experience, so it is understandable why many people will find that the majority of LBC programmes tend to have the feel of having a non-lefty-wefty bias. Such programmes simply sound better and make more sense.
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Old 06-04-2013, 18:53
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The station does seem to want to concentrate on Political stories as it's in the heart of the capital where the politicians do there work from.
The truth is, politics comes into just about everything. Today is the Grand National but that's not just a sports story, it's also a political one in that there are many strong animal rights views wanting to cancel the race. Mandela leaving hospital is a human story but he is a very political figure, the measels outbreak in Wales because it was people playing politics that lead to many families deciding that the MMR vaccination wasn't safe in the first place. In fact you can find a political angle to almost every story so I find the separation of political stories from other news stories as being very artificial.
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Old 06-04-2013, 19:00
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The political discussions on LBC all clearly illustrate that lefty-weftyism is some sort of mental disorder or delusion, which in the arena of ideas, discussion and debate is always exposed as such because the lefty-wefty arguments always fall flat and fail miserably when scrutinised or examined. I bet the individuals who went cry-babying to the mods about the other thread being too political were the lefty-wefties who did so because they were always losing the arguments.

Unfortunately though, lefty-weftyism as a political system can take hold of a nation like a disease. It reaches critical mass as it has done of late in the UK and the USA and then avoiding destruction (as it always has done in other nations and always will do) becomes extremely difficult. In our case, The Farridge (as often heard and talked-about on LBC) may be our only hope now.

In terms of talk radio shows, very few that take a lefty-wefty stance have ever been able to attract an audience or become popular as a listening experience, so it is understandable why many people will find that the majority of LBC programmes tend to have the feel of having a non-lefty-wefty bias. Such programmes simply sound better and make more sense.
You illustrate the standard the commentary of many right wingers on LBC, i.e. very poor. There's no coherent argument in your post, no facts to support your opinion, no development of an idea, it's just abuse. However, if you said that on LBC, presenters like NF would lap it up whereas my comments would be challenged vigorously.
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Old 06-04-2013, 19:09
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I bet the individuals who went cry-babying to the mods about the other thread being too political were the lefty-wefties who did so because they were always losing the arguments.
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
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Old 06-04-2013, 19:15
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Someone hasn't been paying attention.
Based on their posting style, I think they were probably too busy extorting money from their adolescent classmates at school...

I reckon it's NF in disguise.
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Old 06-04-2013, 20:41
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There's no coherent argument in your post, no facts to support your opinion, no development of an idea
Well you are wrong because I made several very coherent arguments. Probably you just chose to be blind to them which is a typical lefty-wefty technique. Oh, and calling insane ideas insane ideas is not abuse, it is a statement of fact.

I do confess that I didn't want the post to be too long because people have said that they don't like that.

If we are allowed to discuss political topics as raised on LBC in this thread without fear of sanctions then maybe as and when they arise on the station we can discuss them and over time the lefty-wefties can become educated about how wrong they are. Problem is that it is not just lack of knowledge on their part in many cases, but rooted in some of the more nasty and sinister aspects of human nature. The horrible irony is that part of their sales pitch is to portray themselves as being the "big-hearted" ones, when analysis shows that they are in fact the reverse.
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Old 06-04-2013, 20:51
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Well you are wrong because I made several very coherent arguments.
Highlight just one coherent argument in your previous post please. All I can see is a torrent of anti-left wing abuse with no substance behind it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 21:10
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I wonder if Mr Gilligan knows what is in store for him tomorrow given that we have this lovely new thread with which to beat him senseless - or not as the case may be!
Well done chin.
Now you have to keep it going!!
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Old 06-04-2013, 21:20
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Highlight just one coherent argument in your previous post please.
Well I could highlight the whole thing, because it is all brilliant and very coherent, but since you have asked for just one I will point to:-


".....lefty-weftyism....in the arena of ideas, discussion and debate is always exposed as such (lunacy) because the lefty-wefty arguments always fall flat and fail miserably when scrutinised or examined."

No lefty-wefty can ever withstand a debate with someone like me who knows his onions on LBC or anywhere else.
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Old 06-04-2013, 21:31
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Reverting back to benefits which was the subject of much discussion on the "old" thread.
There was a harrowing full page article in today's Daily Telegraph on this and if I could post a link to it I would do so.
If LBC really wanted to do an in-depth discussion on benefits I can think of no better person to interview than the subject of this article - a woman called Debbie Garrity who has to live on 53 a week.
What she has to say certainly shook me to the core.

I know Iain Dale likes to do "emotional" issues - perhaps if he was to interview her some of us would have a much better idea of what life is like for those forced to rely on benefits in order to exist.


Here we are.......
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...the-maths.html
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Old 06-04-2013, 21:45
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Well I could highlight the whole thing, because it is all brilliant and very coherent, but since you have asked for just one I will point to:


".....lefty-weftyism....in the arena of ideas, discussion and debate is always exposed as such (lunacy) because the lefty-wefty arguments always fall flat and fail miserably when scrutinised or examined."
I don't think that would get past even your 5th Form debating society.

Just saying something (in an unnecessarily combative tone) doesn't make it true.

Dear Oscar - you have to actually offer a point/discussion/issue and some evidence before you can claim victory. Otherwise, it's just you frothing.

I'm sure a nice cocoa before bed will help.
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Old 06-04-2013, 21:55
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Reverting back to benefits which was the subject of much discussion on the "old" thread.
There was a harrowing full page article in today's Daily Telegraph on this and if I could post a link to it I would do so.
If LBC really wanted to do an in-depth discussion on benefits I can think of no better person to interview than the subject of this article - a woman called Debbie Garrity who has to live on 53 a week.
What she has to say certainly shook me to the core.

I know Iain Dale likes to do "emotional" issues - perhaps if he was to interview her some of us would have a much better idea of what life is like for those forced to rely on benefits in order to exist.

Here we are.......
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...the-maths.html
Thanks for the article, radiolady. I have to say, I am pleased it was in the Telegraph, so maybe some of the less usual suspects are starting to see the true picture.

I can accept that economic times are difficult for the country (although, as you may expect, I have views on the truth behind some of that), but I cannot accept this demonisation of benefit claimaints. And that's something LBC colludes with, IMO, by just reading out headlines from the Daily Mail again and again and again. It's a very immature format that never seems to do any real journalism and never seems to learn from all the callers who phone in with the issues like the ones in the article.

I don't think this is a left/right issue. I think this is just a govt trying to hide just how bad things by being nasty. Divide and rule, etc. Sadly, all our politicians seem to put their own power before the state of the nation or the population.
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