Yes. NF referred to it this morning.

He didn't say anything about working in sweat-shops. He just referred to the Chinese as being very hard workers, and that some people in the UK could take a leaf out of their book.

However, you would expert the distortion to come from the left-wing Mirror.

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I can't see the problem with people of all different cultures living together. If you don't want taht then, what do you want?

Immigrations in the past were face with the same sort of hat that the current ones are getting.

"us" (whatever "us" means) have to help those who come fit in and they have to try and fit in too.

Why will not "never happen with Muslims" .

The country isn't over populated, it's a fact.

There hasn't previously been a problem in this country with people of different cultures living here. They came and integrated, and those who wished to maintain their own religion and/or culture - Jews, Asians, West Indians, Chinese - have done so without trying to impose it on the host country. I think this is why such resentment is felt by some against Muslims. The demand by the radicals that their beliefs and religious requirements are accommodated by and even integrated into ours with very little reciprocation on their part. And the PC brigade have fallen over themselves to oblige.

This country is overpopulated massively so.

Even in the 40's a smaller state in the US about our size possibly Indiana or Idaho not sure were given a film and talk about the UK and they were astonished at how many people were here compared to their population.

Look at the overcrowded roads,supermarkets,etc.without going into the usual. examples.just general daily life.
We are smallish island.Fact.

BTW We,as meaning people whose families have been here for generations.

Further I regularly go to Australia and California for weeks at a time to stay with relatives,and I could fill a thread with some of the questions strangers ask me about what is happening in this country,and their opinions.

I think you're right that this is the perception, but I'd like to challenge the truth behind it. I'd suggest that it's really about the media stirring up vocal idiots on the fringe and over-exposing them.

I wonder what kind of stories and 'demands' this really boils down to in practice. Is it actually any more than providing kosher food for Jewish people, for example, and so on?

The reference to the so-called PC Brigade is another example of just making things up that don't really exist.

The trouble is that Muslims are the first people to come to this country in huge numbers over a short period of time who seem to define themselves by their religion not their (adopted over time) new British nationality, and within their society there is a sizeable minority who appear to harbour strong enough dislike for the west and what we stand for to want to do us harm. This doesn't reflect on the majority but a bit more flexibility on their part to acknowledge that they now live in Britain, for whatever reason, and show a willingness to integrate fully with our traditions and culture would be welcome.

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Says it all really.

So, I was born in England and my nan was born in India so am I part of this "us"?

Only 5% of land is built on.

Some Muslims have tried to impose their religion but, no more than any other than some of those of other religions do.

Who are "PC brigade"?

Examples? I don't recall Rabbis trying to impose Hasidic law, or Catholic priests campaigning for the rules of their church to apply to the general population.

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Says it all really.

You posted this yesterday.

Aren't those nets to prevent pigeons roosting?

I doubt it. I saw the TV documentary on the Apple factory and suicides are all too often.

Yes thats true workers used to jump from the roof in china and commit suicide.

I think Apple now claim to have negotiated better conditions for he workers.

Just heard NF ask Boris about a comment made by Teresa May to Ian Dale about yesterday being National Front day.
I never heard this interview so not sure what context she used the NF phrase in. Surely she was not referring to the racist and bigots of the national front?

It wasn't Teresa May. It was a comment by Boris's sister Rachel, about TM's speech.

Ah thanks for the clarification. Was half listening and could not believe what I thought I heard. Cheers.

This country IS overpopulated which is why there is not enough housing to go round, not enough jobs, not enough hospital beds and not enough school places.

Immigration in itself is not a problem but open borders and, therefore, uncontrolled immigration is.

I think you've articulated that argument very well, and it's often used, but again, I'd like to look beneath it and see how much of that is really true.

I'm not sure it's true to say that this is the first people to come in number (relative to the general population) who define themselves by their religion, and I'm not sure how many Moslems do that over and above their nationality anyway.

What is this sizeable minority who harbour a strong dislike for the West? Do you have figures? As I suggested above, my suggestion is that the media need to whip up a storm over everything these days, and I wonder how previous immigrant groups would have been reported if we'd had this media back then.

You say it doesn't reflect on the majority, and yet it clearly does as otherwise you wouldn't be saying what you say.

I also wonder what it is you'd like people to do in terms of integrating fully with our traditions and culture. Could you give some examples of what that really means? It feels like one of those phrases that is trotted out, but isn't very meaningful.

I'm not denying that there are not issues, but I am questioning the scale of it and the kind of blanket comments that go alongside them.


Tudor history suggests otherwise... and we've only recently had articles suggesting that moderate Jews should stand up against those suggesting women shouldn't drive, etc. One could also look at the situation in Scotland and Ireland around Catholic/Protestant issues and of course, the main point is that a lot of our law is based on christianity, whether one believes in that or not. It's all around us all the time, being 'imposed' on the general population.

Whilst immigration is one part of an issue, there is a lot, lot more to everything you've mentioned than just that. It's a massive tabloid-style over-simplification to suggest otherwise, surely?

She also likened Tessie May to Edna Mode which cracked me up 😁😁

Only 5% of land is built on. You may feel we are and I understand why but, what you feel isn't fact.


Right to die bill, Gay Marriage bill just to give some examples now, how about you give me the examples for Muslims doing it? More Christian's try to convert people to their religion than Muslims, that's for sure!