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gurney-slade
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“I thought the press's attacks on Milliband were bad and were very nasty but, there nothing compared to the treatment of Jeremy. ”

Depends from which side of the political divide you are looking.
MartinRosen
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“I thought the press's attacks on Milliband were bad and were very nasty but, there nothing compared to the treatment of Jeremy. ”

What is wrong with asking what his (the Party's) policy is on an important subject?

I am surprised a newspaper hasn't launched a reward for anyone that finds the 'EdStone'
connor the judg
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“What is wrong with asking what his (the Party's) policy is on an important subject?

I am surprised a newspaper hasn't launched a reward for anyone that finds the 'EdStone'”

Nothing but, there not just asking what his policy is on an important subject. There's been many lies and some very nasty personal attacks.
MartinRosen
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“Nothing but, there not just asking what his policy is on an important subject. There's been many lies and some very nasty personal attacks.”

TBH Today the media were announcing that the Shadow Cabinet were divided over the Syria issue and had threatened to resign. I thought it was either based on an off-record briefing by a member of the Cabinet or a speculative guess. I wouldn't consider it to be a lie.

I have not seen any personal attacks on him other than when he was first elected, with reference to scruffy appearance, not wearing a tie etc. That seems to have stopped now.
gurney-slade
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“Nothing but, there not just asking what his policy is on an important subject. There's been many lies and some very nasty personal attacks.”

Such as? Because you find something unpalatable doesn't make it a lie I'n willing to bet you enjoyed Cameron's 'Piggate'.
connor the judg
30-11-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Such as? Because you find something unpalatable doesn't make it a lie I'n willing to bet you enjoyed Cameron's 'Piggate'.”

The "shoot to kill policy" headlines and "nod in my name" story are just a few.

The piggate story wasn't reported as true.
Lone Drinker
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“I thought the press's attacks on Milliband were bad and were very nasty but, there nothing compared to the treatment of Jeremy. ”

The Labour Party is imploding, it doesn't need any help from the press to do it. If you want a hope in hell of removing the Tories he has to be ousted.

There's a By Election on thursday in one of Labour's safest seats in its norhern stronghhold. Given they are in opposition you'd expect their vote to at the very worst hold up on the GE figure. They got 55% in May.
BurlyBeaR
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“The Labour Party is imploding, it doesn't need any help from the press to do it. If you want a hope in hell of removing the Tories he has to be ousted.

There's a By Election on thursday in one of Labour's safest seats in its norhern stronghhold. Given they are in opposition you'd expect their vote to at the very worst hold up on the GE figure. They got 55% in May.”

I hope he doesn't get ousted until we've had a great deal more sport and lotsa laughs out of the mans ineptitude. I find it hilarious.
connor the judg
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“The Labour Party is imploding, it doesn't need any help from the press to do it. If you want a hope in hell of removing the Tories he has to be ousted.

There's a By Election on thursday in one of Labour's safest seats in its norhern stronghhold. Given they are in opposition you'd expect their vote to at the very worst hold up on the GE figure. They got 55% in May.”

I wouldn't. The turnout always goes down at a by election but, all (or nearly all) the people who voted UKIP will turnout.
gurney-slade
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“I wouldn't. The turnout always goes down at a by election but, all (or nearly all) the people who voted UKIP will turnout.”

How do you know that?

It's not just the evil right wing press that's spinning against Corbyn. Among today's headlines.

The Guardian: "Corbyn climbdown on free vote likely to ensure Cameron secures support".

The Independent: "Corbyn's Climbdown".
connor the judg
01-12-2015
I know it because it always is the case at by elections.
Lone Drinker
01-12-2015
Turnout falls, but there's no reason why Labour's share of the vote should fall. They are the opposition party who should be picking up disaffected government voters
gurney-slade
01-12-2015
Stop The War are planning to march on Labour HQ. The Left is eating itself and about to implode. Or perhaps it will simply disappear up its own fundament.
gurney-slade
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Turnout falls, but there's no reason why Labour's share of the vote should fall. They are the opposition party who should be picking up disaffected government voters”

Word is that the Tories, who haven't got a chance themselves, are encouraging their supporters to vote UKIP.
connor the judg
01-12-2015
I don't think UKIP will pick up many votes, more a case of nearly all the people who voted for them at the GE will turn up when generally the turnout falls.
Lone Drinker
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Word is that the Tories, who haven't got a chance themselves, are encouraging their supporters to vote UKIP.”

Still shouldn't affect Labour achieving the same share of the vote though.
connor the judg
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Still shouldn't affect Labour achieving the same share of the vote though.”

If it was in a GE I would agree.
Styker
01-12-2015
I found James O Brien so infuriating today! He accused his callers of putting their fingers in their ears and shoutng "Yadda Yadda Yadda" on not agreeing with him about his views on Corbyn but it is him doing that!

All the questions he has put have been answered by either callers or by people on twitter but he makes out that they haven't or stays quiet about them!

The answers to his questions are obvious too! On Corbyn allowing a free vote and not "showing leadership" by enforcing a whipped vote on Syria, that is obviously because there are many Lab MP's trying to oust Corbyn out of his job and that was their plan from the second he got elected as Labour leader.

If Corbyn enforced a mandatory whipped vote, then loads of the shadow cabinet would have resigned and then Corbyn would be expected by the right wing media to quit too. Corbyn realises this which is why he's not going to give them the chance!

What Corbyn is doing is trying to last long enough to get the results of what the public really think of Labour under him and that means waiting for elections and polls over time and try and work out the average polling figures. Its obvious that Blairites don't want Corbyn to last long enough for him to get a good average in the polls and in election results, they want to force him out very early and then try and make out the left of centre leaders are unelectable when the fact is Labour won on a centre left basis many times before Tony Blair ever became an MP!

The other obvious thing O Brien is overlooking is that Cameron's plan on Syria is the same plan as he had on Libya and the same thing is going to happen because even if the Assad regime fell, there is no way the rebels will remain united and allow a peaceful transition to democracy/elections. They will all fight for power/control of the country and in the meantime they will probably go after the people who supported the Assad regime. No matter how much people and politicans do not want it, this will need international ground troops to go in and sort out and keep the peace, nation build, over decades otherwise the situation will never get peaceful.
Talma
01-12-2015
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Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“Nothing but, there not just asking what his policy is on an important subject. There's been many lies and some very nasty personal attacks.”

What's been said about him that's a lie? Have you got a few details?

Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Turnout falls, but there's no reason why Labour's share of the vote should fall. They are the opposition party who should be picking up disaffected government voters”

Surely if someone voted Labour a few months ago they'd do it again? Unless they weren't happy about something, would all 14,000 or so extra voters just not bother because it was twice in 6 months or some thing?
connor the judg
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Talma:
“What's been said about him that's a lie? Have you got a few details?”

Already posted some. Why do you always ask me for examples however you are perfectly happy for others not to give you details on claims they make?
Cymon H
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by connor the judg:
“Nothing but, there not just asking what his policy is on an important subject. There's been many lies and some very nasty personal attacks.”

A bit rich coming from the left considering the truly nasty stuff I saw & will never forget when Margaret Thatcher died . And it was all personnel .
connor the judg
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Cymon H:
“A bit rich coming from the left considering the truly nasty stuff I saw & will never forget when Margaret Thatcher died . And it was all personnel .”

What was the "nasty stuff" from the media about Thatcher?
BurlyBeaR
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Cymon H:
“A bit rich coming from the left considering the truly nasty stuff I saw & will never forget when Margaret Thatcher died . And it was all personnel .”

It was a disgrace I agree.
Steve_Allen
01-12-2015
The Irony displayed by some on here is both blindingly obvious and extremely irksome!
connor the judg
01-12-2015
Originally Posted by Steve_Allen:
“The Irony displayed by some on here is both blindingly obvious and extremely irksome!”

Who are you talking about?
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