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makeba72
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“LOL The non-answer reminds me of many years ago when Michael Howard was asked a question several times and each time he avoided answering it. (I can't remember the question!).”

What non-answer? Yours?

Or do you 'not have time' to reply?
PrimarchofMars
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Maybe this has something to do with it. He seemed unable to answer a direct question.”

I'm aware of that, but that's recent. Are you suggesting that this recent event trumps extended historical coverage in the media which has informed public opinion over time? Right wing press and LBC has had a go at Miliband's standing more or less since he became leader.

Which is it: that he had high(er) rating before the other day and this has knocked him back, or that he's never had high ratings as the right wing press like to claim? If the latter, then the point you're making is inconsequential other than only enforcing what's gone on before. Subsequently, why is his standing so low (compared to Labour's standing, as opposed to the Tories compared to Cameron's) and is that, honestly, nothing to do with the near-daily mauling he gets in the press.
PrimarchofMars
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“But Martin - are you saying that this is any different from any other politician out there?”

Funny how this is a negative trait for Miliband and yet, when it comes to Boris, this all goes towards his loveable bumbling character. 'Oh look, he said something in Latin instead of giving a straight-forward answer!', 'When pressed for an answer, Mr Johnson blinked a lot, shook his head and made a funny noise.'
Syntax Error
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“FrankBT,

Are you saying it was you who complained to the mods and that you are not a lefty-wefty?

Er, you do know that Obama won a second term despite his lefty-wefty policies having butchered the USA during his first term, don't you?

And you do realise that the cuts in the UK are because of years and years of lefty-wefty fiscal irresponsibilty, don't you? Or are you just trying to be satirical with me?”





This is odd when you consider that the Conservatives have spent more time in power than any other political party.

Even 'New Labour' was Conservative 'Lite'.
makeba72
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by PrimarchofMars:
“Funny how this is a negative trait for Miliband and yet, when it comes to Boris, this all goes towards his loveable bumbling character. 'Oh look, he said something in Latin instead of giving a straight-forward answer!', 'When pressed for an answer, Mr Johnson blinked a lot, shook his and made a funny noise.'”

This was exactly the point I was going to make to Martin, in the hope that the conversation would develop, once he'd clarified what he meant by 'non-answer'.
MartinRosen
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“This was exactly the point I was going to make to Martin, in the hope that the conversation would develop, once he'd clarified what he meant by 'non-answer'.”

Sorry no time to explain, need to go out ! However, I will reply later this afternoon !
makeba72
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Sorry no time to explain, need to go out ! However, I will reply later this afternoon !”



Thanks Martin

I am going out too
PrimarchofMars
30-04-2013
Not convinced about Hartley-Brewer's point (and other presenters, to be fair) about our hunting for a bargain. Many of the firms that contract out to suppliers like the one in Bangladesh aren't necessarily cheap high street names. Some of them are pretty expensive and make a massive mark-up due to low-cost but high price tag on items. That, to me, is even worse than firms like Primarch as it's exploiting everyone concerned and it just highlights the rip-off with supposedly higher-end consumer goods. Whilst many media outlets are using this tragedy as a springboard to talk about the moral implications of bargains, it's staggering that no one wants to point the finger at how others are fleecing consumers.

As for the point about Bangladesh being a long way away, and perhaps they don't matter*, plenty of callers from the South East seemed to hold that view regarding Thatcher's 'influence' on other parts of the country. 'Necessary sacrifice' and all that.

To tie both points together, at one point in time, much of the North of England &c., actually had a large garment industry. However, between the 1980s and the 1990s, most of it - like everything else - went abroad in the name of 'efficiency and savings'.


*Not saying this was Hartley-Brewer's own view.
MartinRosen
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“LOL The non-answer reminds me of many years ago when Michael Howard was asked a question several times and each time he avoided answering it. (I can't remember the question!).”

Originally Posted by makeba72:
“What non-answer? Yours?

Or do you 'not have time' to reply? ”

This is what I was referring to (about 2min 50secs in). Obviously he had plenty of opportunity to give an answer to Jeremy Paxman.
FrankBT
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
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This is odd when you consider that the Conservatives have spent more time in power than any other political party.

Even 'New Labour' was Conservative 'Lite'.”

There's a lot of very odd thinking by "Oscie-Woskie", who believes anyone who isn't a staunch Thatcherite must be a "eftie-wefty....whatever that is.
makeba72
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“This is what I was referring to (about 2min 50secs in). Obviously he had plenty of opportunity to give an answer to Jeremy Paxman.”

I remember that very well. It has since been revealed that Paxo was stalling for time as he'd had a message in his earpiece, so it wasn't quite the event it's been made out to be since.

But my question was which non-answer here had reminded you of this non-answer?
MartinRosen
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“But my question was which non-answer here had reminded you of this non-answer? ”

It was Ed Milliband unable to answer a question on The World at One.
MartinRosen
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by PrimarchofMars:
“ is even worse than firms like Primarch”

Meant to note this, this morning.

Primarch do you mean Primark ?
chinchin
30-04-2013
Primarché
Styker
01-05-2013
Which way did most of the callers go during 6-7pm on Iain Dale's show about who they supported the most? Labour or the Conservatives? I missed it.
PrimarchofMars
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Meant to note this, this morning.

Primarch do you mean Primark ?”

Yes. Outsourcing to Bangladesh is bad enough, but opening a branch on Mars would be too much, even for me.
chinchin
01-05-2013
Primani
MartinRosen
01-05-2013
This morning NF took a call from a lady who was going to be voting in tomorrow's local elections. She said she hadn't decided who to vote for but the Conservative candidate had knocked on her door. She was being swayed towards him because "he had a nice smile".

Regardless of which party he represents, is this going to be the way people decide who to vote for?

I wonder if John Loony (who used to frequent the LBC chit-chat thread) and represented the Monster Raving Loony Party, has a nice smile?!
PrimarchofMars
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“This morning NF took a call from a lady who was going to be voting in tomorrow's local elections. She said she hadn't decided who to vote for but the Conservative candidate had knocked on her door. She was being swayed towards him because "he had a nice smile".

Regardless of which party he represents, is this going to be the way people decide who to vote for?

I wonder if John Loony (who used to frequent the LBC chit-chat thread) and represented the Monster Raving Loony Party, has a nice smile?!”

Martin, you're describing Boris's popularity here. The other side of the coin is the basis of much of the criticism of Miliband: he looks funny, he sounds funny, his name is too easy to pun &c.

It's not the right way to 'do' politics at all. I'd lay the blame with Blair, but I'm not sure what came first Blair, or the public's apparent need for a media-genic politician.
MartinRosen
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by PrimarchofMars:
“It's not the right way to 'do' politics at all. I'd lay the blame with Blair, but I'm not sure what came first Blair, or the public's apparent need for a media-genic politician.”

i think you could take it back, certainly as far as Harold Wilson, who was very 'media-friendly', or what about Winston Churchill? Obviously the media was very different in those days, but I don't know how much they (presumably) supported him because of his personality or because of the war.
Kiko H Fan
01-05-2013
Surely you analyse local issues and what affects you locally, before making your mind up on who to vote for in a local election?
Nessun Dorma
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Kiko H Fan:
“Surely you analyse local issues and what affects you locally, before making your mind up on who to vote for in a local election?”

Indeed you should, but sadly, the vast majority of voters don't do that. That is the reason why UKIP have gained in the polls. Their supporters are not bright enough to realise that UKIP have no local polices whatsoever.
PrimarchofMars
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“i think you could take it back, certainly as far as Harold Wilson, who was very 'media-friendly', or what about Winston Churchill? Obviously the media was very different in those days, but I don't know how much they (presumably) supported him because of his personality or because of the war.”

The big difference between the relationship between the media and politicians now is accessibility and the level and depth of scrutinity. There's been some major step changes in the past (Profumo &c) but our relationship between media and politics is a fairly modern thing. Up until relatively recently, there was always a degree of respect if not deference (which made Spitting Image et al more shocking than something like That Was The Week That Was). But it seems the more media we have (sheer amount of outlets, rolling news, old and new media, social media) the more access we expect, the more we demand even on superficial levels: Cameron's hair, weight &c., Miliband's voice &c. I know it looks easy to draw a parallel with Wilson and his donkey jacket (which never was) but it's a completely differently level of intensity.

To bring it back to Blair, there's a case that Blair openly courted this knowing that on this (superficial) level he had an advantage over the conveyor belt of Tory leadership at the time. But then again, would he have adopted this tactic if he'd have known it wasn't something the public wanted. Chicken and egg.

As for Churchill, I think the post-war election result says a lot, as does the impression that (now) most people don't seem to realise or forget that the war time government was a war time coalition. Attlee didn't win the election out of the blue (no pun intended), both he and Labour played a significant role in Britain's war effort and the voters in 1945 were aware of that.

Maybe that's something to be also consider in context of Thatcher's funeral. 'Churchill got one because he won the war' being something that I heard a lot of over those two weeks.
MartinRosen
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by PrimarchofMars:
“Wilson and his donkey jacket (which never was)”

That was Michael Foot, wasn't it ?
PrimarchofMars
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Kiko H Fan:
“Surely you analyse local issues and what affects you locally, before making your mind up on who to vote for in a local election?”

Local vs government politics is hard to separate though, surely? My area has seen significant rises in council tax, even for the unemployed. It's a local issue as not everywhere has but this is due, in part, to changes in national welfare policy and levels of funding.

Now Eric Pickles wants to say that this is a local government issue and their fault, but come local and national election, very few voters here will accept that view.
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