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Old 08-04-2013, 11:20
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Quite right Martin. 'Next Door' did used to be TS. A lot of posters came across for a while because TS switched to 24 hour sport, having given up their through-the-night current affairs output. But they didn't stick around ('cept for the likes of me who alway enjoyed both threads). I admit to having a bit of an unhappy feeling about splitting the LBC thread into two, I hope I'm wrong Yeah, a few people got a bit cross but isn't that life, which really does go on ... oo bla dee ... ol bla da ...

Ooop forgot for a moment I was on the politics thread ... Ferrari was worse than ever this morning ....
One observation about the other thread since the DS intervention: I think the last two pages have been dominated by a discussion about socks. I made an on-topic observation about Ferrari, which got only one reply... but lots on socks.

I reckon they should have kept the original thread and pointed those guys to a new home in the General Chat forum, personally.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:03
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One observation about the other thread since the DS intervention: I think the last two pages have been dominated by a discussion about socks. I made an on-topic observation about Ferrari, which got only one reply... but lots on socks.

I reckon they should have kept the original thread and pointed those guys to a new home in the General Chat forum, personally.
Good morning Makeba

I can see your point, up to a point (which I will try to elucidate).
Your view has an element of lateral thinking - something I've always enjoyed - but I think one has to see it from the point of view of the small band of contributors who have kept the LBC chat thread going for a number of years.

If I get enough spare time ( a rare commodity these days, which is why I don't post much) I will attempt to trawl back through as many of the threads that are available. My theory is that the more serious political and economic (current affairs) aspect has only entered the fray relatively recently, and many of the 'small band' (I refuse to call them a 'clique') are not happy with it - some of them refraining from posting. That is their right, I believe.

Also, I think they want to maintain light-hearted banter, as long as it's LBC-related, on topics such as Steve's socks, Martin's shorts etc. That seems to be mostly what they're happy - and appear to feel comfortable - with.

Furthermore, we are living, for better or worse, in the Twitter era, where many people prefer short statements (unlike this one!).

Just to put my cards firmly on the table, I tend to prefer the 'deeper' discussions (when they are well-reasoned), as evinced by such as you, Clitheroe and PrimeofMarch, to name but three. They give rise (for me) to much food for thought, and I love to read other people's perspectives on the current affairs topics raised by the LBC presenters.

I truly hope that both threads can be maintained and that they both survive. Only time will tell.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:40
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Your view has an element of lateral thinking - something I've always enjoyed - but I think one has to see it from the point of view of the small band of contributors who have kept the LBC chat thread going for a number of years.

My theory is that the more serious political and economic (current affairs) aspect has only entered the fray relatively recently, and many of the 'small band' (I refuse to call them a 'clique') are not happy with it - some of them refraining from posting. That is their right, I believe.

Also, I think they want to maintain light-hearted banter, as long as it's LBC-related, on topics such as Steve's socks, Martin's shorts etc. That seems to be mostly what they're happy - and appear to feel comfortable - with.

I truly hope that both threads can be maintained and that they both survive. Only time will tell.
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I don't disagree with very much there, CD.

My own and oft-expressed view is that the original thread was just fine as it was. I was a fence-sitter in that respect.

To summarise my own view:

1) LBC has dramatically changed and it was no surprise that the thread did. In fact, for the thread to try to not change is, to my mind, to force it to be 'off-topic'.

2) I think that the small band have put off more people posting by their own antics than they claim were put off by the way the thread changed. I've seen lots of new faces appear to mention something they heard on air ('political') and disappear when they were told off by the small band.

3) Martin's knees were never, ever on-topic, yet dominate so-called LBC discussion. Again, I personally liked that banter, although I rarely contribute. My objection was the hypocrisy of those who were blind to the masses of their own off-topic chatter. Can't help myself - I always have to challenge stuff like that! Equally, lots and lots of political one-liners were apparently OK, but replying to those was not (at least, by their rules).

4) Also, the small group was nowhere near as friendly or welcoming as it thought it was. Wind-ups and teasing are only ever allowed to be one-way traffic. And in the end, after a while, ends up leaving a bad taste in the mouth. Scratch the surface of some of that, and you end up seeing some unpleasant stuff, I often feel.

Gosh - better stop there. Yes, I hope both threads can survive, but the old one won't be an LBC thread unless the small group can be more flexible, I feel. And if that's the case, it deserves to be in the chat threads.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:50
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OOh - death of Margaret Thatcher just announced by Ian Payne
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:03
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RIP Margaret, sad news.

makeba...agree with your post especially No.2 & 4. that's why I lurk more than post.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:06
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RIP Margaret, sad news.

makeba...agree with your post especially No.2 & 4. that's why I lurk more than post.
Thanks Pk.

As for Mrs T... I'm neither happy nor sad - a woman I didn't know personally has died. I didn't like her very much, but death is never a nice time.

Peter Oborne has just made an unfortunate slip, though... "he was, er... she was, etc etc"
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:07
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Hi there

I don't disagree with very much there, CD.

My own and oft-expressed view is that the original thread was just fine as it was. I was a fence-sitter in that respect.

To summarise my own view:

1) LBC has dramatically changed and it was no surprise that the thread did. In fact, for the thread to try to not change is, to my mind, to force it to be 'off-topic'.

2) I think that the small band have put off more people posting by their own antics than they claim were put off by the way the thread changed. I've seen lots of new faces appear to mention something they heard on air ('political') and disappear when they were told off by the small band.

3) Martin's knees were never, ever on-topic, yet dominate so-called LBC discussion. Again, I personally liked that banter, although I rarely contribute. My objection was the hypocrisy of those who were blind to the masses of their own off-topic chatter. Can't help myself - I always have to challenge stuff like that! Equally, lots and lots of political one-liners were apparently OK, but replying to those was not (at least, by their rules).

4) Also, the small group was nowhere near as friendly or welcoming as it thought it was. Wind-ups and teasing are only ever allowed to be one-way traffic. And in the end, after a while, ends up leaving a bad taste in the mouth. Scratch the surface of some of that, and you end up seeing some unpleasant stuff, I often feel.

Gosh - better stop there. Yes, I hope both threads can survive, but the old one won't be an LBC thread unless the small group can be more flexible, I feel. And if that's the case, it deserves to be in the chat threads.
There's a lot of double-standards on the other thread. Politics, it seems, is tolerated as long as it's a certain kind of politics, and it's used as brick-bat for one presenter only. That's what always bothered me. O'Brien, sandwiched between Ferrari and Hartley-Brewer - two massively opinionated presenters, was always the one accused of getting on his 'high horse' &c.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:08
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Well, that's LBC's coverage sorted out for the next month or so.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:13
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Thatcher was the beginning of the end. The politics of greed verses the people. She was the cause of the Falklands War (or her government) and the decimation of UK manufacturing.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:17
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Thatcher was the beginning of the end. The politics of greed verses the people. She was the cause of the Falklands War (or her government) and the decimation of UK manufacturing.
I see you've been 'bumped' from the other thread for posting a one-liner on Mrs T.

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Old 08-04-2013, 13:19
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I can't do that, she did nothing to hurt me. I may not have agreed with some of her policies but I could never dance on her grave.
But, as even Cristo admitted the other night, she and her policies shafted large parts of the country and have a right to be angry with what happened. He thought the de-industrialisation & was necessary but it was a big mistake to not replace it in the communities that were hurt by it. He's also a massive fan of Thatcher, too.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:20
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I see you've been 'bumped' from the other thread for posting a one-liner on Mrs T.

Tis OK Makeba. There are two threads for all now.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:21
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I understand miners had mothers and grandparents also before they lost their jobs and killed themselves.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:27
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I'd be more direct than you and say a small minority of people believe they have the right to dictate what is on and off topic on the original LBC thread and chose to flout their own rules when it suits them. I just fear by diluting the interest in LBC across 2 threads, both threads are more at risk of dying. However, that's how they have decided they want it and so be it.
And they are the ones who go running to the moderators and complain.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:29
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I don't really remember Thatcher too well - I was 8 when she was dethroned by Major - but my parents loathed her and took me on anti-Thatcher marches (which I do remember very well). I haven't spoken to him yet today, but my dad's probably drunkenly dancing around his living room at this very moment.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:30
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I understand miners had mothers and grandparents also before they lost their jobs and killed themselves.
I obviously touched a nerve there eh.

Maybe you should just let your hatred go now she has died and maybe move on? Just a suggestion.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:32
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Genuine bind now. LBC is now about to hit full-on political mode but not sure whether I can actually bear listening to it.

Also, given coverage for the foreseeable future will be That Cher oriented, what will they talk about on the other thread? Socks?
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:36
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:38
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And they are the ones who go running to the moderators and complain.
It's posts like this that have possibly caused the inevitable split in the LBC forum. One, you don't know that Nessun Dorma, it's just your opinion, of course you may be correct but it's more likely that it is the lurkers who report posts, and that is my opinion of course
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:39
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How many lost their life in the Falklands? How many miners lost their jobs and families? How many suffered through the greed of capitalism? How many UK manufacturing jobs survived? How many were killed in rail crashes when she spent the money on privatisation rather than safety?
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:46
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I obviously touched a nerve there eh.

Maybe you should just let your hatred go now she has died and maybe move on? Just a suggestion.
Some communities will only be able to 'move on' when they've got industries, jobs and economies back. I can understand why people would want some kind of decorum at the moment - I've lost a parent, close family members, best friends &c over the years - but I don't understand why others can't appreciate why some are so bitter over Thatcher.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:48
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Hi there

I don't disagree with very much there, CD.

My own and oft-expressed view is that the original thread was just fine as it was. I was a fence-sitter in that respect.

To summarise my own view:

1) LBC has dramatically changed and it was no surprise that the thread did. In fact, for the thread to try to not change is, to my mind, to force it to be 'off-topic'.

2) I think that the small band have put off more people posting by their own antics than they claim were put off by the way the thread changed. I've seen lots of new faces appear to mention something they heard on air ('political') and disappear when they were told off by the small band.

3) Martin's knees were never, ever on-topic, yet dominate so-called LBC discussion. Again, I personally liked that banter, although I rarely contribute. My objection was the hypocrisy of those who were blind to the masses of their own off-topic chatter. Can't help myself - I always have to challenge stuff like that! Equally, lots and lots of political one-liners were apparently OK, but replying to those was not (at least, by their rules).

4) Also, the small group was nowhere near as friendly or welcoming as it thought it was. Wind-ups and teasing are only ever allowed to be one-way traffic. And in the end, after a while, ends up leaving a bad taste in the mouth. Scratch the surface of some of that, and you end up seeing some unpleasant stuff, I often feel.

Gosh - better stop there. Yes, I hope both threads can survive, but the old one won't be an LBC thread unless the small group can be more flexible, I feel. And if that's the case, it deserves to be in the chat threads.
Really good post Makeba. Well articulated too.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:48
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It's posts like this that have possibly caused the inevitable split in the LBC forum. One, you don't know that Nessun Dorma, it's just your opinion, of course you may be correct but it's more likely that it is the lurkers who report posts, and that is my opinion of course

That's a fair point; we don't know for certain. I'd hedge a bet that if it was lurker, it was lurker that was sympathetic to the core of the longer, more frequent posters. The moderator intervention only came at specific times.
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:53
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Really good post Makeba. Well articulated too.
You're going to make me blush
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Old 08-04-2013, 13:57
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Some communities will only be able to 'move on' when they've got industries, jobs and economies back. I can understand why people would want some kind of decorum at the moment - I've lost a parent, close family members, best friends &c over the years - but I don't understand why others can't appreciate why some are so bitter over Thatcher.
Being bitter about anyone or anything only hurts yourself. All it does is to prolong your hatred and pain.

Surely the way your life turns out is ultimately [b]your[b] own responsibility? Dancing on the grave of an 87 year old woman is very sad.
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