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Old 22-02-2014, 15:59
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Some of the LBC presenters have been really making my blood boil of late and I think they do try and deliberatly get a rise out of people.

Ian Collins, I think he just loves trying to wind up non Tory supporters and I think it is so obvious he is an out and out Tory who cannot handle hearing a word/statement against them! Last night he was really winding me up with what he was coming out with. At one point he said that the Labour Government of the 70's cut spending more than this Government or words to that effect! Where on earth did he get that from or was it a load of you know what?! I've never heard anyone ever say that before!

Then Julia H Brewer said she supported the Iraq war and still does?! What after all that chaos and the loss of lives? I think she was a wind up there as I cannot recall her supporting the Iraq war before and she linked it to 9/11 and how many times, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!

Iain Dale then starts going on about getting rid of inheritance tax and stamp duty! He's done a phone in on that before and the same thing happenned, it started off with people strongly agreeing with him and not many who disagreed with him and I really do doubt he didn't have many people disagreeing with him, I think they are just not being put on! I also suspect that this might be a self reference thing for him as he lost his mother last year so could it be that he's facing the inheritance tax?

If you read this Iain or anyone at LBC, the inheritance tax "thought process" is no different to how income tax is applied! Person A who has paid tax on his/her's money gives it to Person B who will also have to pay tax on it even though person A has already been taxed on it! Its the same and the tax is charged to the inheritor not the person who is passing it on!
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Old 22-02-2014, 16:31
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If you read this Iain or anyone at LBC, the inheritance tax "thought process" is no different to how income tax is applied! Person A who has paid tax on his/her's money gives it to Person B who will also have to pay tax on it even though person A has already been taxed on it! Its the same and the tax is charged to the inheritor not the person who is passing it on!
Inheritance tax is levied on the assets of the deceased - assets on which they will have already been taxed - and the beneficiary then becomes responsible for the inheritance tax. I doubt if there were many callers who agreed with this.
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Old 22-02-2014, 16:43
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Some of the LBC presenters have been really making my blood boil of late and I think they do try and deliberatly get a rise out of people.

Ian Collins, I think he just loves trying to wind up non Tory supporters and I think it is so obvious he is an out and out Tory who cannot handle hearing a word/statement against them! Last night he was really winding me up with what he was coming out with. At one point he said that the Labour Government of the 70's cut spending more than this Government or words to that effect! Where on earth did he get that from or was it a load of you know what?! I've never heard anyone ever say that before!
IC may well be right about that. In 1976 Britain had to borrow nearly £4bn from the IMF worth a lot more than that amount today. In return the IMF insisted on swingeing public expenditure cuts which were notorious in their effect. Council workers were made redundant or were put on short time, and public sector wages were annually frozen at a time of high inflation. That led to inevitable union unrest and strikes with the dead not being buried, rubbish piling up high in the towns and cities and many NHS hospitals only taking A&E cases. As these problems surmounted by 1978 the UK saw the winter of discontent.
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Old 22-02-2014, 16:43
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Inheritance tax is levied on the assets of the deceased - assets on which they will have already been taxed - and the beneficiary then becomes responsible for the inheritance tax. I doubt if there were many callers who agreed with this.
I know how it works and it is no different to how income tax is applied in that if you are on the recieving end of money, you have to pay tax on it even if the person giving you the money has been taxed on it.
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Old 22-02-2014, 16:49
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IC may well be right about that. In 1976 Britain had to borrow nearly £4bn from the IMF worth a lot more than that amount today. In return the IMF insisted on swingeing public expenditure cuts which were notorious in their effect. Council workers were made redundant or were put on short time, and public sector wages were annually frozen at a time of high inflation. That led to inevitable union unrest and strikes with the dead not being buried and rubbish piling up high in the towns and cities. As these problems surmounted by 1978 the UK saw the winter of discontent.
If that is what he was referring to then he should have pointed the IMF element out but he didn't. He made it out that the Labour Government did it out of their own volition/ideaology kind of thing. He didn't mention at all that it was an IMF requirement in order to get loan money from them.
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Old 22-02-2014, 18:45
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It is the same and the tax is charged to the inheritor not the person who is passing it on!
I think it would be very difficult for the person passing on an inheritance to pay tax!
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Old 22-02-2014, 18:53
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I think it would be very difficult for the person passing on an inheritance to pay tax!
sigh. The argument people make, those who want Ineheritance tax to go is that the dead person paid taxes in their life and shouldn't have to to pay a death tax but they don't, the inheritor will be the one who is taxed therefore the same logic as income tax.
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Old 22-02-2014, 18:58
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sigh. The argument people make, those who want Ineheritance tax to go is that the dead person paid taxes in their life and shouldn't have to to pay a death tax but they don't, the inheritor will be the one who is taxed therefore the same logic as income tax.
My point is that you cannot ask a dead person for tax. They can tax his estate, but that is just less money going to the inheritors, who will then pay inheritance tax, and if it brings their income over a certain amount, then they pay higher rate income tax.
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Old 22-02-2014, 19:00
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More UKIP bashing from Ian Collins this time tonight.

He said earlier on this week JOB was taking UKIP supporters apart.

Why is it all these presenters feel they must do a hatchet job on UKIP i wonder.
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Old 22-02-2014, 19:17
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My point is that you cannot ask a dead person for tax. They can tax his estate, but that is just less money going to the inheritors, who will then pay inheritance tax, and if it brings their income over a certain amount, then they pay higher rate income tax.
But in inheritance tax the dead person has left something for a living person to inherit and if the asset is over 325 grand or so, the reciever is going to be charged inheritance tax. I think that is more than fair enough and if it isn't in place already, the only reform I think should come in is that people have a fair bit of time to pay the tax, say if they have to sell it in order to pay the tax etc etc
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Old 22-02-2014, 19:18
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More UKIP bashing from Ian Collins this time tonight.

He said earlier on this week JOB was taking UKIP supporters apart.

Why is it all these presenters feel they must do a hatchet job on UKIP i wonder.
More UKIP bashing? When did he bash them before? Though I think he was saying a few things against UKIP last night but that was mainly because of what some of their members say, I haven't heard him speak about UKIP's political goals yet. Can't be bothered to listen to hi tonight at length.
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Old 22-02-2014, 22:58
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But in inheritance tax the dead person has left something for a living person to inherit and if the asset is over 325 grand or so, the reciever is going to be charged inheritance tax. I think that is more than fair enough and if it isn't in place already, the only reform I think should come in is that people have a fair bit of time to pay the tax, say if they have to sell it in order to pay the tax etc etc
And of course anyone who scrimped and saved to buy their own house like a normal pre-war semi which is now valued at a stupid amount, and saved a bit or bought shares when they were on offer is liable for it, along with all the other taxes they paid while they were alive, so it's being taxed twice over for being self-supporting. How dare they hope to have something worthwhile to leave their kids.
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Old 22-02-2014, 23:00
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sigh. The argument people make, those who want Ineheritance tax to go is that the dead person paid taxes in their life and shouldn't have to to pay a death tax but they don't, the inheritor will be the one who is taxed therefore the same logic as income tax.
If it's coming from their estate the deceased is in effect paying it though, aren't they? It's their money.
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Old 23-02-2014, 06:03
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More UKIP bashing? When did he bash them before? Though I think he was saying a few things against UKIP last night but that was mainly because of what some of their members say, I haven't heard him speak about UKIP's political goals yet. Can't be bothered to listen to hi tonight at length.
He to be fair has not but JOB seems to do it on a weekly baisis he just seemed to carry on tonight, even mentioning how JOB takes UKIP supporters apart when they call in.

There seems to be a fair bit of anti UKIP in LBC at the moment.
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Old 23-02-2014, 07:25
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He to be fair has not but JOB seems to do it on a weekly baisis he just seemed to carry on tonight, even mentioning how JOB takes UKIP supporters apart when they call in.

There seems to be a fair bit of anti UKIP in LBC at the moment.
UKIP supporters are an easy target because the party is only discussed in connection with their policy of leaving the EU, or when one of their representatives makes a loonier than usual pronouncement.
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Old 23-02-2014, 07:43
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More UKIP bashing from Ian Collins this time tonight.

He said earlier on this week JOB was taking UKIP supporters apart.

Why is it all these presenters feel they must do a hatchet job on UKIP i wonder.
Probably because UKIP are beating the Tories hands down!
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Old 23-02-2014, 07:48
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Probably because UKIP are beating the Tories hands down!
Still plenty of time before the next General Election, for the Monster Raving Loony Party to win !!
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Old 23-02-2014, 08:05
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Still plenty of time before the next General Election, for the Monster Raving Loony Party to win !!
Even Johnlooney doesn't buy that one any more!
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Old 23-02-2014, 10:04
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UKIP supporters are an easy target because the party is only discussed in connection with their policy of leaving the EU, or when one of their representatives makes a loonier than usual pronouncement.
The point JOB keeps making so successfully is that leaving the EU seems to be their ONLY policy. That plus immigration in general seems to be the only reason their LBC-calling supporters know about or seem to care about. Even Farage said their own last manifesto was rubbish. They seem to make themselves an easy target really.
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Old 23-02-2014, 10:39
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New Labour were just Tories in my view anyhow!
And don't expect a next Labour government to be any different. Tony Blair won elections stealing the clothes of the Conservatives.
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Old 23-02-2014, 15:39
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LBC talks to disabled people affected by the government cuts then support the Tories, So they are not feeling sorry for them.
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Old 23-02-2014, 17:37
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Brian is able to get the better of UKIP supporters partly because only the inarticulate ones are allowed through onto the air (the more articulate ones are filtered out by the screeners or cut off quickly in the conversations if it becomes obvious that they are going to be able to answer him).

Also though it is partly because the UKIP ideas and strategies are not as bullet-proof as they could be.

What we all should warmly welcome though is the pushback against the conventional political elites that dominate the two-and-a-half main political parties. It is fantastic that finally the electorate are waking up in considerable numbers to the realisation that we have to look outside of those parties, all of which have destroyed the nation and betrayed the people for many decades.

Maybe out of all this can come a party, be it an evolved UKIP or some other, that can get us back to the common sense politics that this country so badly needs.

I don't think the participants in the debate on LBC will tell us anything that we haven't heard before if we have been paying attention. Maybe the publicity will get some people who haven't thought about these things to start giving it some consideration and that might work to UKIP's advantage if The Farridge doesn't muff up.

A few within the UKIP ranks may be "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" or whatever the quote is, but I don't believe the majority of supporters are. They need to start getting their ducks in a row though. As things stand, a win for Labour at the next election looks like the most probable outcome and "Bloody Nora!" that is a horrendous prospect considering their previous 13 year reign of sheer butchery.
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Old 23-02-2014, 19:12
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Inheritance tax is levied on the assets of the deceased - assets on which they will have already been taxed - and the beneficiary then becomes responsible for the inheritance tax. I doubt if there were many callers who agreed with this.
Erm, I think you may need to either review your understanding asset capitalisation (growth and income), or the inheritance tax regimes.
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Old 23-02-2014, 19:16
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My point is that you cannot ask a dead person for tax. They can tax his estate, but that is just less money going to the inheritors, who will then pay inheritance tax, and if it brings their income over a certain amount, then they pay higher rate income tax.
I think you are getting confused with capital gains tax.
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Old 23-02-2014, 19:18
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He to be fair has not but JOB seems to do it on a weekly baisis he just seemed to carry on tonight, even mentioning how JOB takes UKIP supporters apart when they call in.

There seems to be a fair bit of anti UKIP in LBC at the moment.
Well, if UKIP didn't lay it all out on a plate for them, it wouldn't happen, would it.
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