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LBC 97.3 Politics Thread
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Talma
26-02-2014
[quote=Nessun Dorma;71528252]
Originally Posted by Talma:
“I was pointing out that the amount of bile and scorn directed at a minority party doesn't change the fact the main parties are not perfect and many think them less than suitable for government. Also the amount of abuse directed at UKIP and their supporters by all the main parties indicates that those parties think they have to do that rather than ignore them, which they could if they thought they were totally inconsequential.

Twaddle. If UKIP didn't provide so much ammunition in the first place, there wouldn't be many stories in the press about them. They continue to asrt that they are not a racist party,when so many of their members do racist things. Perhaps, if they actually admitted that hey were a racist party, they might get left alone.



Nonsense. It is up to the Labour party and the Labour party alone to choose their leader, just as it is for the Tories and any other political party. John Major also refused to call an election when he was appointed as Prime Minister.”

Yes and there should have been an election then as well. If you're perfectly happy that any MP who makes an arrangement with his outgoing leader can become PM with no recourse to the voters that's fine. It just seems a little more democratic to run that choice past the electorate as well at the earliest opportunity. Same as when an MP changes parties mid-stream, there should be a bye election for the voters to endorse them.
Kiko H Fan
27-02-2014
[quote=Talma;71530098]
Originally Posted by Nessun Dorma:
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Yes and there should have been an election then as well. If you're perfectly happy that any MP who makes an arrangement with his outgoing leader can become PM with no recourse to the voters that's fine. It just seems a little more democratic to run that choice past the electorate as well at the earliest opportunity. Same as when an MP changes parties mid-stream, there should be a bye election for the voters to endorse them.”

You vote for a party, not a person. Therefore I have no problem with Brown or Major becoming PMs during a term.

However, I agree that if an MP changes party mid-term, then that should force a by-election. It happened in Wales a few years ago, although it might've been for an AM rather than an MP. He was voted in, then jumped ship to the Tories a year or so later.
gamzattiwoo
27-02-2014
Don't know if you are still following this thread Nessun Dorna. You have been throwing wildly inaccurate observations about UKIP here which are not justified.

They don't know how democracy in this country works? We don't have democracy in the UK as we are largely dictated to by Brussels which is far from democratic.That is the
reason UKIP were founded.Gordon Brown spent money like a man with no arms and he didn't let people have a say when he signed the Lisbon treaty.

Your remark about my attitude to labour politicians who lets say'turned a blind eye to the PIE and endorsed them' puzzles me. Who wouldn't agree on that?A good job they were not conservative or all hell would have been let loose.
Nosedive
27-02-2014
Originally Posted by gamzattiwoo:
“Don't know if you are still following this thread Nessun Dorna. You have been throwing wildly inaccurate observations about UKIP here which are not justified.

They don't know how democracy in this country works? We don't have democracy in the UK as we are largely dictated to by Brussels which is far from democratic.That is the
reason UKIP were founded.Gordon Brown spent money like a man with no arms and he didn't let people have a say when he signed the Lisbon treaty.

Your remark about my attitude to labour politicians who lets say'turned a blind eye to the PIE and endorsed them' puzzles me. Who wouldn't agree on that?A good job they were not conservative or all hell would have been let loose.”

Or god forbid, UKIP.
makeba72
27-02-2014
Originally Posted by gamzattiwoo:
“ We don't have democracy in the UK as we are largely dictated to by Brussels which is far from democratic. That is the reason UKIP were founded.”

Given that this is still an LBC thread, maybe I'll bring it back to the station slightly.

I don't know enough about Europe to say whether it's right or wrong to state that the UK is dictated to by Brussels. I'm neither for nor against. But then, I have yet to hear a single UKIP caller give me a proper explanation, evidence or facts. I have only ever heard a kind of huffing and puffing and repetition of the kind of phrase above. So I would tentatively suggest that perhaps many/most UKIP supporters don't know enough to make that judgement either. It does give the impression that their views are based on a kind of prejudice - to have such a strong opinion without being able to explain why seems rather odd to me.
wns_195
27-02-2014
LBC couldn't exist in its current form if the UK wasn't a democracy.

They claim their arguments for leaving the EU are so strong, then prove otherwise by resorting to talking rubbish about how they're living in a dictatorship.

I'm glad there isn't a presenter on LBC who believe's all of UKIP's propaganda. Hearing every issue presented through an anti-EU prism every day would be dull and like talk radio in the US.
onecitizen
28-02-2014
Having recently started listening to LBC on DAB I've got a question for regular listeners, has Nicky Ferrari always had a girlish crush on Nigel Farage?
Nosedive
28-02-2014
Originally Posted by onecitizen:
“Having recently started listening to LBC on DAB I've got a question for regular listeners, has Nicky Ferrari always had a girlish crush on Nigel Farage?”

Yes pretty much. Though he denies actually supporting UKIP.
chinchin
01-03-2014
Iain Duncan-Smith's Explosive Row With James O'Brien:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ231M7fCNo
Nessun Dorma
02-03-2014
Originally Posted by gamzattiwoo:
“Don't know if you are still following this thread Nessun Dorna. You have been throwing wildly inaccurate observations about UKIP here which are not justified.”

I am not sure which specific "accusations" you are referring to, but I am pretty sure they are very much justified.

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“They don't know how democracy in this country works? We don't have democracy in the UK as we are largely dictated to by Brussels which is far from democratic.That is the
reason UKIP were founded.”

What I actually referred to was a specific poster not understanding how demonocracy works. However, I did allude to Farage not being interested in democracy, perhaps that is what you were referring to.

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“Gordon Brown spent money like a man with no arms”

I genuinely have no idea what that means.

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“and he didn't let people have a say when he signed the Lisbon treaty.”

Neither did many other countries.

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“Your remark about my attitude to labour politicians who lets say'turned a blind eye to the PIE and endorsed them' puzzles me. Who wouldn't agree on that?A good job they were not conservative or all hell would have been let loose.”

You'll have to remind me, but I pretty sure you are on a wind up.
MartinRosen
04-03-2014
Good blog from Iain Dale last night. IMO worth reading.
gurney-slade
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Good blog from Iain Dale last night. IMO worth reading.”

Excellent piece. I agree with him. I didn't hear his show yesterday but I believe it got quite feisty.
radioviewer
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Good blog from Iain Dale last night. IMO worth reading.”

Iain Dale has obviously never heard of the My Lai massacre. Which was a war crime, but because it was conducted by the USA, it wasnt likely to be heard in The Hague.

Dale is such a hypocrite though. And very shallow thinking like many on the loony right.
Nosedive
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Good blog from Iain Dale last night. IMO worth reading.”

He's been repeating the contents of his blog on the programme tonight. Debate on it kicked off just after 5pm. The responses still seem mixed.
Lone Drinker
04-03-2014
Dale is a beacon of impartiality in the statist left wing media that rules in this country
radioviewer
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Dale is a beacon of impartiality in the statist left wing media that rules in this country”


Tell that to the bloke he assaulted.
gurney-slade
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by radioviewer:
“Tell that to the bloke he assaulted.”

Eh?
thewilson
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Dale is a beacon of impartiality in the statist left wing media that rules in this country”

Originally Posted by radioviewer:
“Tell that to the bloke he assaulted.”

Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Eh? ”

Well Dale certainly proved by that disgraceful act that, in reality, he has a problem with lawful freedom of expression.
FrankBT
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Dale is a beacon of impartiality in the statist left wing media that rules in this country”

Hm! So BskyB, News International and the Daily Mail are a bit too left wing for you now? :
makeba72
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“Hm! So Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail are a bit too left wing for you now? :”

You got in just before me!

Left wing media that rules this country? Could there be a more incorrect statement?
Lone Drinker
04-03-2014
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“You got in just before me!

Left wing media that rules this country? Could there be a more incorrect statement?”

Stating that Iain Dale is part of the loony right ?
makeba72
05-03-2014
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“Stating that Iain Dale is part of the loony right ?”

What do you mean? One person says that (which I don't agree with) and you take this to mean that the country is ruled by a left-wing media?

I await with interest your evidence and justification for that statement, which I think is completely wrong. Quite the opposite, in fact.
chinchin
06-03-2014
The BBC version of the LBC debate, but equally applies!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiDRzgDCMAETybG.jpg
chinchin
11-03-2014
Very sad news. RMT leader Bob Crow has just passed away (James O'Brien:LBC). RIP A true hero of the working class. I guess the ticket offices are doomed now. Hope he has trained his successor well. I wonder if Boris Johnson will be gracious in his comments. .
Kiko H Fan
11-03-2014
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“Very sad news. RMT leader Bob Crow has just passed away (James O'Brien:LBC). RIP A true hero of the working class. I guess the ticket offices are doomed now. Hope he has trained his successor well. I wonder if Boris Johnson will be gracious in his comments. .”

I'm sure there'll be some ungracious comments, though not necessarily by Boris.
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