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LBC 97.3 Politics Thread
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chinchin
22-11-2014
Wonderful hearing Lord Abbot last night talking about the supercilious, self serving and mendacious nature of certain politicians. Of course the likes of Cameron wouldn't want the guy with the England flags living next to him, but can he say that in public? No! Funny hearing Nick talking about Cameron dropping his Waitrose shopping if he got home and saw the flags out side a neighbour's home!
gurney-slade
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“Wonderful hearing Lord Abbot last night talking about the supercilious, self serving and mendacious nature of certain politicians. Of course the likes of Cameron wouldn't want the guy with the England flags living next to him, but can he say that in public? No! Funny hearing Nick talking about Cameron dropping his Waitrose shopping if he got home and saw the flags out side a neighbour's home! ”

I doubt if there are many flag-waving, white van drivers in Primrose Hill, where Miliband lives either.
FrankBT
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“Wonderful hearing Lord Abbot last night talking about the supercilious, self serving and mendacious nature of certain politicians. Of course the likes of Cameron wouldn't want the guy with the England flags living next to him, but can he say that in public? No! Funny hearing Nick talking about Cameron dropping his Waitrose shopping if he got home and saw the flags out side a neighbour's home! ”

Nothing wonderful or vaguely amusing about NA whatsoever. It's the same thing week after week, Farage, UKIP, bankers, George Osborne, obesity etc, and the same stupid sound effects to go with it. But I've noticed of late he's got a new person to bash - Ed Miliband. So how does he diss him? NA relies on the dumbest of cheap shots repeating how weird EM looks, ad nauseam. No discussion or consideration of what EM says or what he might have said - just slags him off because of his physical features.

NA is an ignorant, lazy, puerile presenter, tedious beyond belief. He should be one of the first in line for the chop.
Charlie Drake
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“its something to do with how british politics has been in the control of a few like minded neoliberal prozionist individuals (neocons) across all political groups for the last 14 years or so, is why the politics is so similar, across any party you might choose.”

At the risk of ranging off-topic, I just wanted to briefly add that I am, in fact, interested in a lot of these theories, but shouldn't we go back to (at least) the Bretton Woods conference of 1944, rather than just 'the last 14 years or so'?
tahiti
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“shouldn't we go back to (at least) the Bretton Woods conference of 1944, rather than just 'the last 14 years or so'?”

Or 1918 , since according to Robert Fisk :

"After the allied victory of 1918, at the end of my father's war, the victors divided up the lands of their former enemies. In the space of just seventeen months, they created the borders of Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia and most of the Middle East. And I have spent my entire career—in Belfast and Sarajevo, in Beirut and Baghdad—watching the people within those borders burn."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%20Fisk
Oscar_
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Have you been advising Mark Reckless in the past few hours? If so do carry on Sir.”

I don't know much about Reckless. His voice does not come across particularly well and people seem to think that he lacks charisma, but I have to say I thought his little speech (heard on LBC - about how the people who elected him are his boss or words to that effect) was quite politically astute and well-delivered. Perhaps some of the other UKIPers should listen to him on the topic of what the situation would be for ALL non-UK nationals if we were to leave the EU as well.

Tip number one to The Farridge is - stop all that ridiculous boozing and focus on the job in hand. He is making a big blunder by forcing everyone to go along with this idea that there would be some sort of amnesty for any citizens of other EU countries that are already here.
MartinRosen
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“NA is an ignorant, lazy, puerile presenter, tedious beyond belief. He should be one of the first in line for the chop.”

I get the distinct impression you don't like him.

I just hope nobody ever has cause to criticise you in your work.
Charlie Drake
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Or 1918 , since according to Robert Fisk :

"After the allied victory of 1918, at the end of my father's war, the victors divided up the lands of their former enemies. In the space of just seventeen months, they created the borders of Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia and most of the Middle East. And I have spent my entire career—in Belfast and Sarajevo, in Beirut and Baghdad—watching the people within those borders burn."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%20Fisk ”

Absolutely, tahiti - Treaty of Versailles and all that. In order to address Wendy's concerns more directly, this might be of interest: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Interna...ish_conspiracy
Styker
22-11-2014
I'm finding David Mellor highly objectionable on muslims recently. I think he is coming across as very islamophobic and he always says some of his best friends are muslim before he comes out with that I find islamophobic but there are a lot of peeople who are muslim in name only and by that I mean, they don't practice the religion at all and do a lot of things that are forbidden in islam and I wonder if that is who Mellor has in friends.

I really hope the powers that be at LBC read this....

Last week, Sat 15th Novemeber, he was pretty much saying that muslims should not be allowed to migrate here anymore and he mentioned Bangladesh a fair bit.

Now today he was saying that all muslim faith schools should be banned because some of the kids might become terrorists! This is classic phobic behaviour!

I listened to his expert guests on today and what I would say about muslim kids not knowing the difference between religious law and civil law, I would say how many kids know about the law anyway?! School kids may know what a Police Officer looks like but the actual concept of law, they know about that?!

Islam in numbers has a massive following and the overwhelming majority of muslims do not commit terrorist attacks whether here or abroard.

I would have said to the OFSTED inspector that its the Government's and County councils fault if religious schools are too strict. They should have set the standards that religious schools teach in a moderate way, that pupils learn about the basiscs of their religions main requirements, the history, put it all into context and make sure they follow the curriculam to a large extent esp in the important subjects of english, maths, and learning about computers etc etc.
BurlyBeaR
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“Nothing wonderful or vaguely amusing about NA whatsoever. It's the same thing week after week, Farage, UKIP, bankers, George Osborne, obesity etc, and the same stupid sound effects to go with it. But I've noticed of late he's got a new person to bash - Ed Miliband. So how does he diss him? NA relies on the dumbest of cheap shots repeating how weird EM looks, ad nauseam. No discussion or consideration of what EM says or what he might have said - just slags him off because of his physical features.

NA is an ignorant, lazy, puerile presenter, tedious beyond belief. He should be one of the first in line for the chop.”




I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this. I cannot stand him. Thinks he's way more clever than he is. And the callers he lets through speak to him with such reverence as if he's a genius. Get rid.
FrankBT
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by BurlyBeaR:
“I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this. I cannot stand him. Thinks he's way more clever than he is. And the callers he lets through speak to him with such reverence as if he's a genius. Get rid.”

Not quite. I think there are a couple of other regulars who have posted they're none too smitten with NA either. It's his laziness. He's clearly done little or no research for any subject he chooses to bring up, and it's his ignorance that really gets my goat. Then there's all the other annoyances, particularly the disinterested attitude he shows towards most callers, even the fawning ones. Anyway I've long since given up on him.

On a brighter note there's Peter Tatchell in the studio with Ian Collins after 9pm. Always a good listen as both these guys are on the opposite end of the political spectrum.
MartinRosen
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I'm finding David Mellor highly objectionable on muslims recently. I think he is coming across as very islamophobic and he always says some of his best friends are muslim before he comes out with that I find islamophobic but there are a lot of peeople who are muslim in name only and by that I mean, they don't practice the religion at all and do a lot of things that are forbidden in islam and I wonder if that is who Mellor has in friends.

I really hope the powers that be at LBC read this....”

Why not write to LBC and / or David Mellor? It is no use complaining here because ultimately nobody is going to take any notice.
Styker
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Why not write to LBC and / or David Mellor? It is no use complaining here because ultimately nobody is going to take any notice.”

I think the powers that be do read this forum and take note. Iain Dale while a presenter and not in charge per se, posts every now and then doesn't he?
MartinRosen
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I think the powers that be do read this forum and take note. Iain Dale while a presenter and not in charge per se, posts every now and then doesn't he?”

Yes Iain has posted here. However, he is not Management.

I have said it before, but we here are a small (but vocal !) minority of LBC listeners. So why should Management read this? I am sure they receive a lot of correspondence directly. They would obviously monitor the programmes, and I am sure if there was anything they didn't like the presenter(s) would be told.
Styker
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Yes Iain has posted here. However, he is not Management.

I have said it before, but we here are a small (but vocal !) minority of LBC listeners. So why should Management read this? I am sure they receive a lot of correspondence directly. They would obviously monitor the programmes, and I am sure if there was anything they didn't like the presenter(s) would be told.”

Well on that, its 2 weeks running now that Mellor has gone into what I'd call a hysterical stance. If he carries on like this he'll be calling for all muslims to be repatriated because of the actions of a few and what makes him think that ordinary muslims aren't as worried as he is about terrorism? They don't get a pass from the terrrorists and more muslims have been killed by "islamic" terrorists than anyone else.

I'll watch the space on this, a couple of callers did come on to express strong disgareement with him and I don't think that happened last week so lets see if he carries on being like this.
mrsgrumpy49
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by BurlyBeaR:
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I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this. I cannot stand him. Thinks he's way more clever than he is. And the callers he lets through speak to him with such reverence as if he's a genius. Get rid.”

Is it just me? It seems to me that he has a number of besotted female callers who put on a coo-ey flirty voice when phoning in

I think it was the night before last when a 'Jonathan' phoned Cristo and made a reference to the 'tedious' hate fest of one particular presenter against UKIP and it was obvious he was talking about NA!
If you are reading this Jonathan - please phone in again - but other than Cristo as he really wasn't up to it.
Last night NA revisited one of his pet topics - ie pensioners being 'complicit' in the fact that the government is running out of money to pay for pensions. Apparently we've been living it large and wanting too much.
Of course one cause (out of many) is that we lived longer than expected. Maybe we should all chuck ourselves off the nearest bridge - patriotic duty and all that...
Charlie Drake
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“Is it just me? It seems to me that he has a number of besotted female callers who put on a coo-ey flirty voice when phoning in

I think it was the night before last when a 'Jonathan' phoned Cristo and made a reference to the 'tedious' hate fest of one particular presenter against UKIP and it was obvious he was talking about NA!
If you are reading this Jonathan - please phone in again - but other than Cristo as he really wasn't up to it.
Last night NA revisited one of his pet topics - ie pensioners being 'complicit' in the fact that the government is running out of money to pay for pensions. Apparently we've been living it large and wanting too much.
Of course one cause (out of many) is that we lived longer than expected. Maybe we should all chuck ourselves off the nearest bridge - patriotic duty and all that...”

To quote Ronny Drew from The Dubliners 'If I'd known I was going to live so long I'd have taken better care of myself!'
Crawley Cutie
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“Is it just me? It seems to me that he has a number of besotted female callers who put on a coo-ey flirty voice when phoning in

I think it was the night before last when a 'Jonathan' phoned Cristo and made a reference to the 'tedious' hate fest of one particular presenter against UKIP and it was obvious he was talking about NA.....”


You ain't heard nothing yet Come Xmas, after several Vinos, hordes of NA's most ardent admirers emerge mob-handed & coo incessantly

I enjoy him from a non-political point of view. At his best, he still makes me laugh..

I would have thought that the presenter with the 'tedious hate fest' against UKIP....... Is James O'Brien...
mrsgrumpy49
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“You ain't heard nothing yet Come Xmas, after several Vinos, hordes of NA's most ardent admirers emerge mob-handed & coo incessantly ”

He does have a somewhat mellifluous voice so I checked out his pic and was instantly unsmitten. Hope that's not too shallow of me ...
tahiti
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“ He is making a big blunder by forcing everyone to go along with this idea that there would be some sort of amnesty for any citizens of other EU countries that are already here.”

'Amnesty' has to be the wrong term here as it implies EU citizens are here illegally. The situation is not that of the United States.
tahiti
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“In order to address Wendy's concerns more directly”

I have not followed the discussion as much as I'd wish to but if the concern is really over the treatment of Palestinians or of Arab Israelis, there are a great many In Israel, from all walks of life, who do not agree with the policies of Lieberman and co, and fear they are lead straight into another intifada (assuming it has not started already).
Oscar_
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“'Amnesty' has to be the wrong term here as it implies EU citizens are here illegally. The situation is not that of the United States.”

The point is that these EU citizens are here legally by virtue of the fact that we are in the EU. UKIP needs to have a very clear and sensible message about what would happen to those people if we were to exit the EU (which is their main thrust policy).

Even if we were to have some agreement with the EU that foreigners from EU countries would be treated differently from foreigners hailing from non-EU countries, the idea that there would be some special treatment for those who happen to be physically here after our exit does not make sense. Apart from anything else it is likely to accelerate the influx. This is a major vulnerability for The Farridge and he needs to stop boozing and get it sorted.
tahiti
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“This is a major vulnerability for The Farridge and he needs to stop boozing and get it sorted.”

Detail not being his strong point , he would just defuse the issue, for example by stating that all EU nationals would be required to apply for a work visa or some other residency permit within, say, 3 months of the day of exit. That would allow him to defer the issue till after the referendum. Then, lo and behold, faced with a collapse in public finances, mass disruption to the economy, and countless lawsuits 99.9% of these applications would be granted.
Talma
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Detail not being his strong point , he would just defuse the issue, for example by stating that all EU nationals would be required to apply for a work visa or some other residency permit within, say, 3 months of the day of exit. That would allow him to defer the issue till after the referendum. Then, lo and behold, faced with a collapse in public finances, mass disruption to the economy, and countless lawsuits 99.9% of these applications would be granted.”

He's said time and time again, and again on LBC the other day, that if we left the EU anyone here legally would be welcome to stay. Anyone not here legally would be deported. How much clearer does he have to be? From what I've heard him say he gives straight answers to questions like this, knowing he can be called on it later. If only the other parties would.
tahiti
24-11-2014
Originally Posted by Talma:
“if we left the EU anyone here legally would be welcome to stay. Anyone not here legally would be deported.”

Define 'legally' after the day of exit for EU citizens. It is an utterly meaningless statement otherwise.
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