david mellor always says the classic some of my best friends are muslims, he just fails to mention that some of them just happen to be affiliated to some of the most despotic regimes in the mid east for eg Bahrain whose leaders he quite happily has defended as they brutally cracked down on their 'arab spring'.

his real gripe is actually quite specific. its pakistani and bangladeshis he a'ways rants about , with a milder condemnation of the saudis.

i suspect his business dealings dont extend to pakistan / bangladesh in any significant way.

what was astonishing is his belief that muslim schools are grooming terrorists/radicalised children. he had no evidence to make that claim, nor did he have any evidence to support his idea that those currently in syria/iraq were products of these schools.

fact is less than 5% of muslims attend faith schools (25% of christians 50% jewish). mi5 state that the greater the knowledge of islam the less likely an individual will become radicalised. wholly against the thesis presented by david mellor. they also say prime motivation to radicalisation is uk foreign policy, lack of opportunity in employment, and being disenfranchised by mainstream society.

the major issue is the govt Prevent strategy which is being pushed by theresa may and the christian fundamentalist michael wilshaw backed by the education minister. it has proven to not work, yet it is this head in sand mentality that allows the neocons in and around govt to push for a govt proved version of islam. that is a re writing of the islamic faith that empowers the state . it just wont work, it will merely lead to greater alienation.

ken did mention the jewish schools recently but wilshaw they are not wilshaws crusade , however a recent dispatches uncovered illegal jewish schools in london which had segregation, and a very ultra orthodox reading of their faith. if its radicalisation mellors is looking for they are there but he like the media remain blind to it.


no. theres no need, we can witness today the process for ourselves.

Who legally, I e were entitled to, enter while we are/were members of the EU. It's not exactly difficult to understand and easily provable, and has been spelt out directly more than once, including last Thursday on LBC.

I think you have your presenters the wrong way round, Ken is the one who welcomed all sorts of controversially extreme or extreme-leaning Muslims to London when he was Mayor, and has had some well- publicised run-ins with Jews. He presumably has his own preferences, therefore Mellor is entitled to his, whatever they are, I don't know, I hardly listen to their show.

ken isnt a pro zionist, that much of your observation is true. ken isnt an anti semitic and that is missed from your observation. ken does not support regimes such as the saudi or the bahrain examples again missed by you.

kens much publicised run in with some 'jews' (and non jews) is due to his being in a position of power and not being affiliated to the pro zionist lobby.

we do have to recognise that 80% of british politicians in parliament are signed up to the israel lobby, with no elected prime minister that has not declared his or her profound support for zionism and proclaiming their zionist credentials. (as an aside this is the real gripe against ed miliband, other than his left - centrist politics, his proclaimed pro zionism is less than required).

i doubt that many recognise what is 'extreme' and what is extreme. the media, politicians, and pro zionists depend upon the fact majority of british public are poorly informed.

just as anti semitism creates boundaries, so does islamophobia , maybe you should listen to ken and david and respond from a point of experience.

I take it the UKIP leader is therefore unconcerned about current levels of immigration from Eastern Europe then, since you say he apparently has no plan to remove them, and in fact will legislate to make current levels theoretically permanent?

And anyone wishing to remain in the UK after exit, or merely have the right to do so even on the off chance, need only come here a few days before the referendum right?

Has this really been thought through ?

And by the way , the way you wrote it :


Isn't that every single member of the EU right now?

iain dale holding a benign sanitised discussion about the two mercenaries/terrorists fighting for the authoritarian barzani kurdish militia .

wonder what radicalised these men ? will muslims (maybe others) be safe when they return with their skills in bomb making and killing?

we do know those who have gone to fight in syria did so because they wanted to help cameron regime change assad. they however are not called mercenaries .

now onto theresa may .. and her unevidenced 40 terrorist plots (wonder how many of those are irish related) and made up fear mongering .. you can make it up.

Anyone who is living in this country legally at the time we leave the EU is welcome to stay. Is that clear enough?
Anything else you'll have to ask UKIP, I'm just relaying what I've heard them say.

They probably didn't like the idea of a medieval-style murdering mob trying to kill as many innocent Kurds as they can and thought they might help fight them. Sounds reasonable to me.

It is simple, and I have shown above it is also simplistic of UKIP to come up with this kind of answer.

I think you made some really good points in that post especially that it tends to be people who are not strict muslims who get radicalised the most. That certainly seems true and was in the case of Anjem Chowdury as there is a photo of him when he used to drink and I heard over the years he was a party animal before he changed.

I think Mellor is one of many people who have the stance of unless muslims ditch their culture and practises (food aside probably) then he won't accept them nor wants them on the whole. What I think he really wants muslims to do is start drinking, marry non muslims and be out and be seen at things like pubs, night clubs and football matches more.

Most muslims whether they are moderate or strict are not going to start drinking alcohol and most won't marry a non muslim though anyone can convert to being a muslim. Mellor is probably aware of this which is why he is as good as calling for muslims to be banned from coming to the UK.

Its an interesting point you made about him having a bigger problem with Pakistan and Bangladesh. Toghether those countries populations numbers are around the same as the USA and how many people in both Pakistan and Bangladesh have become terrorists? Probably less than 1 per cent but Mellor seems so hysterical that he is coming across to me as if most are and most mulims here are closet terrorists too when they aren't.

Mr. Mellor in the news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30188899

Sounds like one of those classic 'don't you know who I am?' situations. On the other hand, we seem to be turning into a nation of snitches; anybody who's remotely well known can't open their mouth in public without somebody running to the media. It might have been newsworthy if he'd punched the cab driver, or had his evil way with Lady What'sit on the back seat but, FGS, an argument over the best way to get from A to B?

I know what you mean, g-s, but, having been a cab/taxi driver in various countries (including here in the UK), I also know how tiresome (if not downright dangerous and threatening) this type of behaviour can be, especially when you're driving shifts of at least twelve hours. It's an example of pulling rank, indicative of a divided society (think 'Plebgate' and 'Flag-gate'). The concept of 'surveillance' can catch us out in so many ways.
The BBC website reporting is relatively mild - The Sun far more lurid and detailed.
Sometimes I would get a cocky passenger who would purport to know the routes better than me, in which case I would say 'OK, let's go your way', to which the passenger would reply 'You're the cab driver.' This creates a no-win situation. Unpleasant.
In this 'Don't you know who I am' situation, I'd be tempted to open the window and yell 'Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, there's a man here who doesn't know who he is. Can anyone help?'

So what happens on the weeks and days leading up to our leaving of the EU (should it ever happen)?

How many do you think are going to legally come in, waiting for that day when the drawbridge comes up?

How are you going to patrol the NI / ROI border?

Not at all .....I must admit that where NA is concerned - I enjoy being shallow

i suppose you have a point, mass genocide using the most modern technology is far more amenable to our western values. so much so we easily consume the deaths of a million with little effort. must be the legacy of european supremacist efforts of the last century.

and iraq the legacy of the deceit of this century.


i think despite the superficial appearances muslims are reasonably integrated into the uk, despite being in the majority living in deprived areas and lacking economic / employment opportunities. the latter being the core issue that needs to be resolved primarily through government and importantly employers who are recognised through research to discriminate.

the islamic threat claim is preferred rhetoric that allows government to not improve the situatin of muslims in the uk but rather to further its own wars for assets within muslim nations.

as for pakistan / bangladesh , the majority of muslims of uk are of those nations. they are not natural tory voters, they are also outside of the controlling techniques of government. it is why government is implementing the failed Prevent strategy. the Prevent strategy is essentially the uk neocon manifesto directed against muslims, to make conditions intolerable as douglas murray has mooted previously.

mellors obvious irrational hatred of pakistanis / bangladeshis is in addition to something outside of the claimed terrorist threat or islam.

theresa may has this week effectively criminalised all muslims in the uk , setting the non muslim population against muslims. to be suspicious, to treat as the 'other' , as a real and imminent threat to 'our way of life'

the uk policy depends upon the uk population being ignorant of our war efforts / crimes and ignorance of islam. and ignorant of the causes of being radicalised.

lbc has failed to seek out an authentic muslim voice (rather than the house muslims/orgs) to counter the government narrative, instead reinforcing the wrong-headed policy from government and affiliated hacks without dissenting voice.

just heard jahan mahmood former govt advisor) on sky who was making excellent counter points to the govt and lbc reporting of the murder of lee rigby. unfortunately the sky host just stuck to his script as he's paid to do.

unlikely that lbc would get him on .. but they should.

He has been asked that question several times and he keeps repeating the same answer.

He doesn't do detail at all. When asked anything that he knows the answer will embarrass him, he cries, "smear" and "bully."

I don't think you quite understand what he was being asked. He was being asked what their legal status will be AFTER withdrawal from the EU and he couldn't answer.

I agree with you on Mellor and on the fact that most people of Pakistani/Bangladeshi origin do not vote Tory is another reason why he probably doesn't like them much but he should ask himself why don't the pakistani/bangladeshi origin communities like the Tories much!


HUH! Mellor thinks he knows more than a London Cabbie of 10 years on his way around London?! I clearly remember Mellor once reading out a text based on the London Congestion Charge/zone. That text was asking something that former Tory Mayor Candidate Steve Norris once said and that was, - the same results of trying to reduce congestion could be achieved by putting up no entry signs across certain roads. Mellor checked with Ken Livingstone if it would have done though! If Mellor has more knowledge than a London cabbie of 10 years, why did he have to ask Ken the answer to the question for then?!

Absolutely, although I suspect Ken wouldn't know either. "The Knowledge' takes at least three years to learn, and is something that we should be proud of (although I fear its days are numbered). London is not just the West End (which is already complicated) but includes all of Greater London and the boroughs, airports, hotels, hospitals, restaurants, museums etc. Anyone who has driven for ten years after gaining the knowledge will have a very impressive 'database' in their brain.
This is, of course, why ministers have advisors - so they shouldn't start acting as if they, themselves, know it all.

I did hear Duncan Barkes discussing the massive #CameronMustGo twitter campaign which has seen this hashtag trending for days, yet strangely no mention of it on the BBC. I wonder why? Apparently foreign news organisations have been reporting this.

I'm only repeating what I heard Farage say, that anyone already here legally would be welcome to stay, you'll have to ask UKIP for more detail. Same as all the other parties when it comes to an election coming up, none of them go Into too much detail until they think they have to.

Latest developments on Mellorgate:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...boycott-unions

To be fair i don't think Mellor would give a toss anyway, i think uber have got themselves a new customer anyway regardless of if anyone will pick him up or not.

If anything this has done the taxi trade a lot of damage, what else will drivers release ? Lots of high profile names use cabs and a lot will now probably think twice about it. I'm also not sure on how legal this is, if theres no signs in the cab saying audio and video are being recorded Mellor could technically take the cabbie to court if i'm not mistaken.