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Charlie Drake
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Much fun to be had on Twitter with this:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/look-tony-blair...as-card-101300”

Very odd indeed
Maybe he's saying "Is it Christmas again already?" In which case I tend to sympathise!
tahiti
02-12-2014
A RT from James O'Brien:

http://t.co/BU7M4Od5K1
wendy09
02-12-2014
iain dale just cant get beyond his neoconservativism views, unsurprising i suppose since many of his friends happen to be leading neocons in the uk. and its because of this much of his show provides solutions and ideas that completely miss the reality of muslim dissent in the uk and for that matter abroad.

certainly a lack of voice from those who stand opposed to the neocon thinking on his show . and now wants an all encompassing treason to law .. <rolls eyes>

and why does he believe it is the mosques that are radicalising muslims .. is this just the stupidity of neocon beliefs .

Power of Nightmares

disturbing the manner iain and his callers are tarring all muslims as if they are homogenous group and support extremism.

weirdly if isis extremists wanted to harm the uk, why go to syria/iraq to kill other muslims ? so far ignorant discussion.
Styker
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by sandstone:
“Neither side will build enough houses to make a dent in rent, they aren't going to risk putting thousands of voters in negative equity.”

I think you're right but people and the Government(s) have got to realise that while we have the false economy of rip off house prices/rents, we are not going to get out of the economic mess we are in. The benefits given to people to cope with the cost of living can be traced down to over priced houses/rents and people not being paid enough to live.

Replace the council homes sold off and the problems will start to fix but it will take time as they won't be able to replace the 2 Million council homes sold off quickly. I think the new towns that were built after World War 2 took 20-30 years to be fully built all in all and some of the towns took about 10 years just to get a few different areas built.
tahiti
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“ completely miss the reality of muslim dissent in the uk and for that matter abroad ”

Iain Dale has neither understanding nor education on these matters. He just regurgitates tabloid nonsense about Protective Edge, West Bank, Hamas , IDF, 2-state 'solution' and so on without understanding what any of these things actually are.

His own blog states that he went to the Middle East about twice in 20 years, once not in Israel at all, the other on the invitation of the CFI.

His views amount to restating whatever bromide is being spoken by the UK/US government, adding a little bit of tough-sounding rhetoric lifted from Lieberman and co to appear informed, and generally calling various people 'terrorist' a lot.

He should learn that 'support for Israel', assuming he knows what that means - or assuming he understands what he himself means by it - is not the same as supporting the current government of Israel, not the same as being friends with everyone in the CFI, not the same as triple-checking that the board of deputies won't criticise him.

He is just an embarrassment on these things.

That said it is unfair to single him out - all of LBC is like this.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Iain Dale has neither understanding nor education on these matters. He just regurgitates tabloid nonsense about Protective Edge, West Bank, Hamas , IDF, 2-state 'solution' and so on without understanding what any of these things actually are.

His own blog states that he went to the Middle East about twice in 20 years, once not in Israel at all, the other on the invitation of the CFOI.

His views amount to restating whatever bromide is being spoken by the UK/US government, adding a little bit of tough-sounding rhetoric lifted from Lieberman and co to appear informed, and generally calling various people 'terrorist' a lot.

He should learn that 'support for Israel', assuming he knows what that means - or assuming he understands what he himself means by it - is not the same as supporting the current government of Israel, not the same as being friends with everyone in the CFOI, not the same as triple-checking that the board of deputies won't criticise him.

He is just an embarrassment on these things.

That said it is unfair to single him out - all of LBC is like this.”

Good post. I'm not that bothered (although a fair bit) about presenters who have limited knowledge of topics they choose to expound on, but I am greatly irked by them not listening to (and cutting off) those who do know what they're talking about - especially when it doesn't agree with that limited knowledge of the presenter.
Styker
03-12-2014
Is it me or was Nick Ferrari not that keen to discuss the Autumn Statement today? Apart from a quick mention of it early on just after 7am, his agenda seemed to be discussing anything but!

I wonder if he would have been so keen not to discuss the Government's failure to meet any of their main targets if it was Labour in power?
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Is it me or was Nick Ferrari not that keen to discuss the Autumn Statement today? Apart from a quick mention of it early on just after 7am, his agenda seemed to be discussing anything but!

I wonder if he would have been so keen not to discuss the Government's failure to meet any of their main targets if it was Labour in power?”

Yes, I thought his show this morning was very 'soft'. Not one of his best, although I'm not a fan anyway. He just seems like a boorish, rude dinosaur to me.
Styker
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“Yes, I thought his show this morning was very 'soft'. Not one of his best, although I'm not a fan anyway. He just seems like a boorish, rude dinosaur to me.”

I don't really like him either. I can't believe why he seems so popular as most of the time he seems to rush through the callers only giving them a few sentences air time before he interupts then and moves onto the next caller if there is one.

I think LBC presenters should do less talking themselves and give their callers more time and let them complete their point before interupting them. Too often they interupt for the sake of it too it seems to me.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I don't really like him either. I can't believe why he seems so popular as most of the time he seems to rush through the callers only giving them a few sentences air time before he interupts then and moves onto the next caller if there is one.

I think LBC presenters should do less talking themselves and give their callers more time and let them complete their point before interupting them. Too often they interupt for the sake of it too it seems to me.”

Absolutely. The presenter already has the advantage, as their microphone is loud and clear, as opposed to the dodgy phone connections.
One of the commonest tricks is for the presenter to fire a question at the caller, before the latter gets a chance to speak - having already plucked up the courage to call and waiting on the line for a long time. Very weighted.
FrankBT
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I don't really like him either. I can't believe why he seems so popular as most of the time he seems to rush through the callers only giving them a few sentences air time before he interupts then and moves onto the next caller if there is one.

I think LBC presenters should do less talking themselves and give their callers more time and let them complete their point before interupting them. Too often they interupt for the sake of it too it seems to me.”

He's popular with the ignorant and blinkered listener. He's one of the worst presenters on LBC imo. He relies heavily on tabloid and sensationalist type stories. And then there's his frequent plugging of Murdoch and rushing through every news item. and caller. .Awful, bombastic presenter.
MartinRosen
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“He's popular with the ignorant and blinkered listener. He's one of the worst presenters on LBC imo. He relies heavily on tabloid and sensationalist type stories. And then there's his frequent plugging of Murdoch and rushing through every news item. and caller. .Awful, bombastic presenter.”

So you must be listening then to know that.

What did he say when he last plugged Murdoch - when was it ?

This morning NF had a caller and the woman asked to finish her point. Nick let her, and then came in and they had a couple of two and fros. I can't remember what exactly they were discussing, but I thought at the time that her points were better than his.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“So you must be listening then to know that.

What did he say when he last plugged Murdoch - when was it ?

This morning NF had a caller and the woman asked to finish her point. Nick let her, and then came in and they had a couple of two and fros. I can't remember what exactly they were discussing, but I thought at the time that her points were better than his.”

I think the discussion was about breast feeding, Martin. She did well to be able to continue speaking, although NF did his usual trick of muttering in the background.

He often mutters "Don't you want to hear what I have to say?". Nick - we hear what you have to say all the bloomin' time!

I've often heard this accusation that if a poster doesn't like a presenter, they shouldn't listen to the broadcast. Presumably (as I do) they enjoy listening to the contributions from the callers, weather, news, travel etc.
MartinRosen
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“I think the discussion was about breast feeding, Martin. She did well to be able to continue speaking, although NF did his usual trick of muttering in the background.”

No, I don't think it was that. I think it was something like economics (tax / allowance, in that vein !) It would have been around 8.30am ish !
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“No, I don't think it was that. I think it was something like economics (tax / allowance, in that vein !) It would have been around 8.30am ish !”

OK, it could well have been, but I don't think the topic was the point.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
James O'Brien was talking this morning about the classic tabloid trap that so many obligingly fall into:
If you're well off and support those who have less, you're a 'Champagne Socialist'.
If you're not well off and support those in a similar position, it's the 'Politics of Envy'.
Exactly, James - and look how the media immediately vilifies and attacks Russell Brand for standing up for those who cannot afford high rents.
makeba72
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“James O'Brien was talking this morning about the classic tabloid trap that so many obligingly fall into:
If you're well off and support those who have less, you're a 'Champagne Socialist'.
If you're not well off and support those in a similar position, it's the 'Politics of Envy'.
Exactly, James - and look how the media immediately vilifies and attacks Russell Brand for standing up for those who cannot afford high rents.”

He's said it before, and he's absolutely right.

Rather than actually engage with the points someone's making, they just resort to name calling. And I'm afraid it's something NF, IC and DM seem to do an awful lot of.
FrankBT
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“So you must be listening then to know that.

What did he say when he last plugged Murdoch - when was it ?

This morning NF had a caller and the woman asked to finish her point. Nick let her, and then came in and they had a couple of two and fros. I can't remember what exactly they were discussing, but I thought at the time that her points were better than his.”

I haven't listened regularly since the NOTW hacking scandal when NF was desperately trying to defend Murdoch, which was the last straw for me. Before then he was constantly plugging SKy, the Sun, his time at Fox News reminding us what fantastic organisations they are. Since then it's just the odd dip-in when there's been a major story, but I don't stay for more than a few minutes as little seems to have changed and NF sounds as disingenuous and superficial as ever...
wendy09
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Iain Dale has neither understanding nor education on these matters. He just regurgitates tabloid nonsense about Protective Edge, West Bank, Hamas , IDF, 2-state 'solution' and so on without understanding what any of these things actually are.

His own blog states that he went to the Middle East about twice in 20 years, once not in Israel at all, the other on the invitation of the CFI.

His views amount to restating whatever bromide is being spoken by the UK/US government, adding a little bit of tough-sounding rhetoric lifted from Lieberman and co to appear informed, and generally calling various people 'terrorist' a lot.

He should learn that 'support for Israel', assuming he knows what that means - or assuming he understands what he himself means by it - is not the same as supporting the current government of Israel, not the same as being friends with everyone in the CFI, not the same as triple-checking that the board of deputies won't criticise him.

He is just an embarrassment on these things.

That said it is unfair to single him out - all of LBC is like this.”

good observations. your last comment is very true.

he's wittering on about iran today .. pure neocon wittering .

Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“I think the discussion was about breast feeding, Martin. She did well to be able to continue speaking, although NF did his usual trick of muttering in the background.

He often mutters "Don't you want to hear what I have to say?". Nick - we hear what you have to say all the bloomin' time!

I've often heard this accusation that if a poster doesn't like a presenter, they shouldn't listen to the broadcast. Presumably (as I do) they enjoy listening to the contributions from the callers, weather, news, travel etc.”

that i suppose is the radio equivalent of sky news and increasingly bbc news using the split screen tactic whilst interviewing someone and they want to distract from whats being said they put up with sound some video that usually has violence murder etc
FrankBT
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“He's said it before, and he's absolutely right.

Rather than actually engage with the points someone's making, they just resort to name calling. And I'm afraid it's something NF, IC and DM seem to do an awful lot of.”

I think it's unfair to lump IC into the name-calling group. It's true, once upon a time when he was with Talksport he relied more heavily on those sort of tactics when anti-Thatcherite callers tried to argue with him, but he's improved enormously as a broadcaster since then. He seems to have learned that you don't look (or sound) good by resorting to abuse.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“I think it's unfair to lump IC into the name-calling group. It's true, once upon a time when he was with Talksport he relied more heavily on those sort of tactics when anti-Thatcherite callers tried to argue with him, but he's improved enormously as a broadcaster since then. He seems to have learned that you don't look (or sound) good by resorting to abuse.”

Yes - I think it's more DB, who is possibly the most 'either/or/binary' of the lot. An unpleasant listen, in my view.
Charlie Drake
03-12-2014
Wow - that's interesting.
On the lbc.co.uk website poll 'Who do you trust most to run the economy?' it's completely switched over from earlier 70/30 in favour of Osborne/Cameron to now the opposite - 70/30 Balls/Miliband.
"Just a bit of fun…"
makeba72
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“I think it's unfair to lump IC into the name-calling group. It's true, once upon a time when he was with Talksport he relied more heavily on those sort of tactics when anti-Thatcherite callers tried to argue with him, but he's improved enormously as a broadcaster since then. He seems to have learned that you don't look (or sound) good by resorting to abuse.”

I'm afraid I disagree. Although IC attempts to dress it up as humour, it's still essentially name-calling and, like NF, he resorts to trivialising or belittling callers or guests with whom he doesn't agree.
gurney-slade
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Charlie Drake:
“Wow - that's interesting.
On the lbc.co.uk website poll 'Who do you trust most to run the economy?' it's completely switched over from earlier 70/30 in favour of Osborne/Cameron to now the opposite - 70/30 Balls/Miliband.
"Just a bit of fun…" ”

It's not difficult to manipulate the figures. You can vote as many times as you like. The Tory wonks were probably hard at it earlier and now the Labour lot are having a go.
MartinRosen
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“No, I don't think it was that. I think it was something like economics (tax / allowance, in that vein !) It would have been around 8.30am ish !”

Having just returned home (it is time for my cocoa!), I see the comments referring to Russell Brand. I think that is what the lady who managed to get her views over to NF was on about this morning.
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