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Lone Drinker
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“That's what the facts show. Labour cut the deficit until the global financial crisis hit. You may find the truth inconvenient because it doesn't fit in with the right-wing propaganda you have been fed for the last 7 years but is true.

Far from over spending, Labour was paying off the deficit it inherited from John Major. After the global financial crash, all governments were forced to bail out their economies, not just the UK one. Had the Tories been in power, they would have been forced to do the same.”

It's not what the facts show at all, irrespective of the lies fed to you. You don't appear to know the difference between debt and deficit. You can't pay off a deficit. If we are to assume you meant 'debt', then Labour did indeed pay some off. That they were in a position to do so was that they kept to Conservative spending plans between 1997 and 2000. GDP fell from 42% to 31%. Prudence ruled. Brown then launched into his massive public spending increase (and £ 55 billion PFI liabilities).

The apparent fall in public sector borrowing occurred during a period when most other industrial countries were doing much more to strengthen their public finances. On the OECD measure, the UK had a structural budget deficit of 3.5% of national income in 2007. This was the third highest among the G7 countries and the sixth highest among the 26 OECD countries for which comparable data are available (behind – from highest to lowest – Hungary, Greece, Japan, France and Poland). Eleven of these 26 countries actually had structural budget surpluses in the run up to the global financial crisis. Furthermore, the UK saw only the 18th largest reduction in its structural budget deficit between 1997 and 2007 – in other words, the vast majority of other OECD countries did more to strengthen their public finances during Labour’s first eleven years in office than Labour did in the UK.

In 2007 we had the eleventh highest level of debt when compared with the other 26 OECD countries for which data are available. Between 1997 and 2007, 16 out of 23 OECD countries saw a bigger fall in ratio of debt to national income than the UK.

Crucial to all of this as well is that our GDP was increasing on debt fuelled spending on the housing debt bubble and on uncertain receipts from an unstable financial sector, making us even more vulnerable to a downturn. Labour overspent and left the economy and country in a mess just as in 1979
clitheroe1
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“It's not what the facts show at all, irrespective of the lies o you. You don't appear to know the difference between debt and deficit. You can't pay off a deficit. If we are to assume you meant 'debt', then Labour did indeed pay some off. That they were in a position to do so was that they kept to Conservative spending plans between 1997 and 2000. GDP fell from 42% to 31%. Prudence ruled. Brown then launched into his massive public spending increase (and £ 55 billion PFI liabilities).

The apparent fall in public sector borrowing occurred during a period when most other industrial countries were doing much more to strengthen their public finances. On the OECD measure, the UK had a structural budget deficit of 3.5% of national income in 2007. This was the third highest among the G7 countries and the sixth highest among the 26 OECD countries for which comparable data are available (behind – from highest to lowest – Hungary, Greece, Japan, France and Poland). Eleven of these 26 countries actually had structural budget surpluses in the run up to the global financial crisis. Furthermore, the UK saw only the 18th largest reduction in its structural budget deficit between 1997 and 2007 – in other words, the vast majority of other OECD countries did more to strengthen their public finances during Labour’s first eleven years in office than Labour did in the UK.

In 2007 we had the eleventh highest level of debt when compared with the other 26 OECD countries for which data are available. Between 1997 and 2007, 16 out of 23 OECD countries saw a bigger fall in ratio of debt to national income than the UK.

Crucial to all of this as well is that our GDP was increasing on debt fuelled spending on the housing debt bubble and on uncertain receipts from an unstable financial sector, making us even more vulnerable to a downturn. Labour overspent and left the economy and country in a mess just as in 1979”

I did mean the deficit and the facts show that it was higher under John Major than it was under the last Labour government until the international financial crash. Some people don't like the facts because it challenges what they are told by the right wing media and the Tories, but those are the facts.

However, I happy to talk about the debt, it has gone UP, not come down, under the Cameron government.
MartinRosen
07-05-2015
I think we should follow broadcasters rules that politics shouldn't be discussed on the day of the election !

However, if you really want to know who has had a major influence on legislation over the years - look no further than here !
chinchin
07-05-2015
A momentous day. Please use your vote wisely. Vote with compassion and fairness and remember most of the press is controlled by Murdoch and other billionaires.
chinchin
07-05-2015
Tory/LibDem record:
Rents up £1000
Gas Bills up 31%
Rail Fares up 33%
TuitionFees x3
BedroomTax
NHS privatisation
This must end.
#VoteLabour
BurlyBeaR
07-05-2015
Why not have a go on the LBC exit poll and see if we can predict the out outcome, or are totally unrepresentative of the electorate!


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2069968

It's totally anonymous
chinchin
07-05-2015
Originally Posted by BurlyBeaR:
“Why not have a go on the LBC exit poll and see if we can predict the out outcome, or are totally unrepresentative of the electorate!


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2069968



It's totally anonymous”


Thank you I will. PS I thought I blocked you!
BurlyBeaR
07-05-2015
Labour in the lead, UKIP catching up!

Vote now!

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2069968
chinchin
07-05-2015
Originally Posted by BurlyBeaR:
“Labour in the lead, UKIP catching up!

Vote now!

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2069968”

Vote now!
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
I'm not going to gloat; there have been some brutal losses - Simon Hughes and Ed Balls probably the saddest. Galloway and Cable no loss. Funny old thing, politics.
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“I'm not going to gloat; there have been some brutal losses - Simon Hughes and Ed Balls probably the saddest. Galloway and Cable no loss. Funny old thing, politics.”

Oops oh yes





I agree Hughes's ejection is a bit sad but The Ed butt kick is to be savoured . The man's incompetent .
MartinRosen
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“A momentous day. Please use your vote wisely. Vote with compassion and fairness”

thanks for the advice Chin. We did!
MartinRosen
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
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I agree Hughes's ejection is a bit sad but The Ed butt kick is to be savoured . The man's incompetent .”

So no risk of a balls-up of the economy
chinchin
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“thanks for the advice Chin. We did!”

Yeah well. 5 more years of the Tories. Ta ta.
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“So no risk of a balls-up of the economy”

His missus (Yvette Cooper) is in running for the Labour leadership. Ed could be the next Dennis Thatcher!
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“Yeah well. 5 more years of the Tories. Ta ta.”

A leftie leaning Labour is unelectable - till they work that out they re stuffed .
Crawley Cutie
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“Oops oh yes





I agree Hughes's ejection is a bit sad but The Ed butt kick is to be savoured . The man's incompetent .”


I agree..... Simon Hughes was very helpful to me, many years ago, when I was one of his constituents.

Not so Ed Balls - I have never trusted him !! I remember when he & his wife were, several years ago, using a loop hole to avail themselves of first class train tickets, at the taxpayer's expense.

It came to light when there was a big fuss about George Osborne travelling first class.

It transpired that he was paying for them from his own pocket !!

I feel sad about Nick Clegg. He didn't lose his seat...but he came across as a thoroughly decent bloke who believed in his politics.
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“His missus (Yvette Cooper) is in running for the Labour leadership. Ed could be the next Dennis Thatcher!”

Ed the house hubby - just dont leave the man in charge of the household budget
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“I agree..... Simon Hughes was very helpful to me, many years ago, when I was one of his constituents.

Not so Ed Balls - I have never trusted him !! I remember when he & his wife were, several years ago, using a loop hole to avail themselves of first class train tickets, at the taxpayer's expense.

It came to light when there was a big fuss about George Osborne travelling first class.

It transpired that he was paying for them from his own pocket !!

I feel sad about Nick Clegg. He didn't lose his seat...but he came across as a thoroughly decent bloke who believed in his politics.”

I agree. I think it applies to most politicians. There are a few who are duplicitous - thank God Galloway has been kicked out - but most of them, at least to start with, go into politics with good intentions.
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“I agree..... Simon Hughes was very helpful to me, many years ago, when I was one of his constituents.

Not so Ed Balls - I have never trusted him !! I remember when he & his wife were, several years ago, using a loop hole to avail themselves of first class train tickets, at
the taxpayers expense.


It came to light when there was a big fuss about George Osborne travelling first class.

It transpired that he was paying for them from his own pocket !!

I feel sad about Nick Clegg. He didn't lose his seat...but he came across as a thoroughly decent bloke who believed in his politics.”

Never heard that anecdote before but doesnt surprise.....


Yes Cleggy does come across as a nice guy - dont think his parliamentary party deserved such annihilation .
chinchin
08-05-2015
One consolation for London listeners of LBC- Labour have done very well in London!

I can't reproduce the Guardian map, but basically Labour have taken over most if not all of the yellow on the map!
chinchin
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“Never heard that anecdote before but doesnt surprise.....


Yes Cleggy does come across as a nice guy - dont think his parliamentary party deserved such annihilation .”

Such a nice chap-introduced tuition fees against his manifesto and supported the Tories Bedroom Tax. Two faced toff.
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by chinchin:
“Such a nice chap-introduced tuition fees against his manifesto and supported the Tories Bedroom Tax. Two faced toff.”

Labour introduced tuition fees
clitheroe1
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“Labour introduced tuition fees ”

Clegg and his party were punished by voters for breaking their promises, including not scrapping tuition fees. I really feel sorry for Charles Kennedy who was the only LibDem MP to vote against going into the coalition but he's also paying the same price.

I think the results mean the end of Call Clegg and Phone Farage on LBC, so every cloud...
BurlyBeaR
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“I'm not going to gloat; there have been some brutal losses - Simon Hughes and Ed Balls probably the saddest. Galloway and Cable no loss. Funny old thing, politics.”

I think that regardless of our political persuasion we can all rejoice that the dreadful Esther McVey has received her marching orders. That's made my day.

Hope she doesn't decide to go back into TV
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