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Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“Clegg and his party were punished by voters for breaking their promises, including not scrapping tuition fees. I really feel sorry for Charles Kennedy who was the only LibDem MP to vote against going into the coalition but he's also paying the same price.
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Well yes they were indeed


The lib dems demolition was rather tragic .They paid the price ...
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by BurlyBeaR:
“I think that regardless of our political persuasion we can all rejoice that the dreadful Esther McVey has received her marching orders. That's made my day.

Hope she doesn't decide to go back into TV ”

An alumna of the tragic 5's Company.
MartinRosen
08-05-2015
Although UKIP have received thousands of votes nationally, but as Nigel Farage has lost, is this the end of the party? It was basically a virtual one-man-band.
clitheroe1
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“A leftie leaning Labour is unelectable - till they work that out they re stuffed .”

When the LibDems were more left leaning under Paddy Ashdon and Charles Kennedy they increased their seats at every election. Clegg becomes leader, moves them to the right and they lost seats in 2010 and were almost wiped out yesterday.

The public will respond to left wing policies of they are the correct ones.
JT2060
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Although UKIP have received thousands of votes nationally, but as Nigel Farage has lost, is this the end of the party? It was basically a virtual one-man-band.”

I think Farage will remain in the background as Suzanne Evans gradually takes on more leadership duties.
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Although UKIP have received thousands of votes nationally, but as Nigel Farage has lost, is this the end of the party? It was basically a virtual one-man-band.”

Perhaps that's why J O'B is sounding surprisingly sanguine this morning. I thought he'd be spitting razor blades!
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“When the LibDems were more left leaning under Paddy Ashdon and Charles Kennedy they increased their seats at every election. Clegg becomes leader, moves them to the right and they lost seats in 2010 and were almost wiped out yesterday.

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Not for shifting more to the right though - more that trust in them evaporated



Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“ The public will respond to left wing policies of they are the correct ones.”

The public will respond positively to whoever is perceived to being the most competent with the economy -

- the economy ultimately rules above everything : as it should do
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Two down, one to go.
MartinRosen
08-05-2015
I believe it was Clitheroe that wanted more female MPs. The new parliament will have approximately one third more women MPs.
Peachykeen
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Two down, one to go.”


Yes ... Ed seems to taking his time ....

Nigel Farage does seem genuinely happy to be out and in some ways I can't blame him.
He gets abused and shouted at everywhere he goes,spends his whole time firefighting within his own party and obviously still carries injury problems from that plane crash.

Only recently he was being plied with temazepam.

He'll be happier with a cigarette and beer indulging in pub politics.
makeba72
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“The public will respond positively to whoever is perceived to being the most competent with the economy -

- the economy ultimately rules above everything : as it should do”

I suppose that is the argument they use to persuade people, but I rather think that argument depends on whether you believe in that 'god' in the first place.

For me, I think human beings matter more.

When you do what I do, when you see the results of Austerity resulting in real, actual, unnecessary deaths, then I choose to vote against the policies that lead to that. And when it's not deaths, then it's real, actual suffering. Disabled and older people were already screwed under the last government, but they are going to be absolutely f**ked now. I am not exaggerating.

But the real 'victory' for the Tory party and for a system run behind the scenes by rich businesses has been to persuade people that an "I'm alright Jack" attitude is a good thing. And that is a real shame.
Peachykeen
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by makeba72:
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But the real 'victory' for the Tory party and for a system run behind the scenes by rich businesses has been to persuade people that an "I'm alright Jack" attitude is a good thing. And that is a real shame.”

When backs are against the wall, they will always fight for themselves first. With people hanging on to businesses and standards of living by the skin of their teeth,altruism will take second place.

Sad, but true
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I suppose that is the argument they use to persuade people, but I rather think that argument depends on whether you believe in that 'god' in the first place.

For me, I think human beings matter more.

When you do what I do, when you see the results of Austerity resulting in real, actual, unnecessary deaths, then I choose to vote against the policies that lead to that. And when it's not deaths, then it's real, actual suffering. Disabled and older people were already screwed under the last government, but they are going to be absolutely f**ked now. I am not exaggerating.

But the real 'victory' for the Tory party and for a system run behind the scenes by rich businesses has been to persuade people that an "I'm alright Jack" attitude is a good thing. And that is a real shame.”

You keep on about 'austerity'. Watch some of the TV programmes celebrating today's anniversary of VE Day and you'll see what real austerity was. Rationing went on until the mid-fifties. And the populace was probably a damn sight healthier for it than today's over-indulged lardies!
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I suppose that is the argument they use to persuade people, but I rather think that argument depends on whether you believe in that 'god' in the first place.

For me, I think human beings matter more.

.”

Well yes - of course

....but sadly money doesnt grow on trees , particuarly in a cut throat globalised economy. .Its sink or swim i'm afraid ..
makeba72
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“Well yes - of course

....but sadly money doesnt grow on trees , particuarly in a cut throat globalised economy. .Its sink or swim i'm afraid ..”

You see, I don't think it has to be, but it's persuading people that's true that perpetuates the 'divide and rule' system. The idea that money is more important than people amazes me, but it suits the system and those who run it to keep people believing that.
FrankBT
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“A leftie leaning Labour is unelectable - till they work that out they re stuffed .”

Not so. Many people have learned through rising energy bills, low wages, corrupt bankers, food banks, understaffed police and long A&E queues that Thatcherism doesn't necessarily work for the better.

Labour lost because of the weak performing Ed Miliband and his unpopular cohort Ed Balls. If Chuku Umunna had been the leader it could have been a very different story. If Labour and the unions have a gram of sense left, they'll appoint him as the next leader
makeba72
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“You keep on about 'austerity'. Watch some of the TV programmes celebrating today's anniversary of VE Day and you'll see what real austerity was. Rationing went on until the mid-fifties. And the populace was probably a damn sight healthier for it than today's over-indulged lardies!”

I have absolutely no idea what your point is.

What is this 'real' austerity? And in what possible way does your answer respond to or mitigate what I said about real people dying? So basically you're saying that because it used to be worse, people should just be grateful for what they get and carry on suffering and dying unnecessarily, unable to afford a decent home, unable to access the support and healthcare they need. Wow.

They should hurry up and die and reduce the surplus population, eh?
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Cameron's trip to the palace down The Mall lined with Union Flags celebrating VE day. Nice timing, Dave!
gurney-slade
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I have absolutely no idea what your point is.

What is this 'real' austerity? And in what possible way does your answer respond to or mitigate what I said about real people dying? So basically you're saying that because it used to be worse, people should just be grateful for what they get and carry on suffering and dying unnecessarily, unable to afford a decent home, unable to access the support and healthcare they need. Wow.

They should hurry up and die and reduce the surplus population, eh?”

Don't be silly.
makeba72
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Don't be silly.”

Just once, it would be nice if you actually engaged with the points made, didn't go off on a pointless tangent, and didn't resort to calling someone 'silly' because they don't agree with you.

Do you have any relevant reply to make?
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“You see, I don't think it has to be, but it's persuading people that's true that perpetuates the 'divide and rule' system. The idea that money is more important than people amazes me, but it suits the system and those who run it to keep people believing that.”

We live in a globalised economy - thats the reality .We have no control whatsoever .

You need perhaps to get real here .
Chuck Wao
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“Not so. Many people have learned through rising energy bills, low wages, corrupt bankers, food banks, understaffed police and long A&E queues that Thatcherism doesn't necessarily work for the better.

Labour lost because of the weak performing Ed Miliband and his unpopular cohort Ed Balls. If Chuku Umunna had been the leader it could have been a very different story. If Labour and the unions have a gram of sense left, they'll appoint him as the next leader”

People probably realise rising fuel bills is the european norm - it certainly is in France which in turn has a massive unemployment rate .Fancy guessing the political leanings of the government in power
clitheroe1
08-05-2015
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“I believe it was Clitheroe that wanted more female MPs. The new parliament will have approximately one third more women MPs.”

It's still way short of 50% so there is a lot more work the parties need to do to ensure greater equality for women, particularly the Tories who only have 20.5% female MPs.
Charlie Drake
08-05-2015
'Meet the new boss ... same as the old boss'.
That scream has probably never been more relevant than it is today…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
'The hypnotised never lie'.
…do you?
Lone Drinker
08-05-2015
What a truly wonderful night. The huge punch of the air and cheer when the exit poll was announced. Watching one Labour spokesperson after another saying it wasn't right,. Balls and Alastair Campbell trying to tell us with a straight face that Cameron would have failed with 316 seats and that Miliband could become PM with 239 seats. Watching result after result confirming the accuracy of the poll, with Labour still in denial (so no change there). Owen Jones looking ready to burst into tears. Bed for a couple of hours at 4 am, knowing the poll was on the cautious side. Up in time to see Ed Balls kicked out, utter joy. Ken Livingstone being the only person around prepared to speak for Labour and telling us it was the fault of New Labour. They never learn !

Only 1 of the last 6 Labour leaders won a General Election and that was Blair from the middle.
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