Would be interested to hear peoples idea's as to why the Tardis dislikes Clara.
Tardis dislike to Clara
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IIRC Jenna said in an interview somewhere that that develops further to the point where essentially they have an 'argument'. Presumably during the TARDIS based episode.
As for why - something timey wimey about Clara that makes the TARDIS uneasy? Annoyed at how in, Moffat's words, the Doctor is 'smitten and devoted'?
As for why - something timey wimey about Clara that makes the TARDIS uneasy? Annoyed at how in, Moffat's words, the Doctor is 'smitten and devoted'?
It seemed odd that Clara was personifying the Tardis when, presumably, she has no idea that it is a living creature. Just the way the line was written seemed a bit odd for a throwaway line. But it probably is just that she hasn't yet got a key.
Well we do know the TARDIS has opinions on companions, for example the ninth Doctor mentions in one of the DW novels that the TARDIS loved Rose, just before the whole Bad Wolf thing. Jack, also, was mentioned to be disliked by the TARDIS because he was immortal.
I'm sure it must mean something, otherwise Clara would've said 'damn, it's locked' instead of 'she doesn't like me.
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I'm sure it must mean something, otherwise Clara would've said 'damn, it's locked' instead of 'she doesn't like me.
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But didn't the TARDIS lock the doctor out when he needed it because the master locked the door? Surely if it did what it needed the Doctor/people closest to him to do it would overpower being locked/other people controlling it?
Just read that back over and that looks complete gibberish
Just read that back over and that looks complete gibberish
I have no issues with the TARDIS not letting Clara in, I don't think there's any problem there - she doesn't have a key and the Doctor locks it when they leave.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I have no issues with the TARDIS not letting Clara in, I don't think there's any problem there - she doesn't have a key and the Doctor locks it when they leave.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.”
“I have no issues with the TARDIS not letting Clara in, I don't think there's any problem there - she doesn't have a key and the Doctor locks it when they leave.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.”
Hmmms yeah! Good spot!
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I have no issues with the TARDIS not letting Clara in, I don't think there's any problem there - she doesn't have a key and the Doctor locks it when they leave.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.”
“I have no issues with the TARDIS not letting Clara in, I don't think there's any problem there - she doesn't have a key and the Doctor locks it when they leave.
For me the much more interesting issue is why the TARDIS didn't translate at all for Clara, and why the Doctor didn't think that was an issue. Either it's a massive continuity error, or it's significant - the TARDIS has only failed to translate High Gallifreyan before, and that's understandable, whereas this was just a load of ordinary alien languages it should have translated.”
This has happened before though - one example I can think of is the Judoon not being translated for Donna at the Shadow Proclamation HQ in The Stolen Earth. I think it's just a continuity error, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by emma_marie:
“Perhaps because she pinched Docs wifes name, from Back To The Future Part 3”
“Perhaps because she pinched Docs wifes name, from Back To The Future Part 3”
hehe
lets hope she doesn't endup hanging by her bustle upside down on a train....
Originally Posted by Liquidizer:
“This has happened before though - one example I can think of is the Judoon not being translated for Donna at the Shadow Proclamation HQ in The Stolen Earth. I think it's just a continuity error, unfortunately.”
“This has happened before though - one example I can think of is the Judoon not being translated for Donna at the Shadow Proclamation HQ in The Stolen Earth. I think it's just a continuity error, unfortunately.”
That was my first thought too, though it's such a huge one considering the Doctor spent half the episode translating for Clara that I'm both surprised and disappointed (and annoyed) that if it is an error it wasn't picked up on!
Originally Posted by Liquidizer:
“This has happened before though - one example I can think of is the Judoon not being translated for Donna at the Shadow Proclamation HQ in The Stolen Earth. I think it's just a continuity error, unfortunately.”
“This has happened before though - one example I can think of is the Judoon not being translated for Donna at the Shadow Proclamation HQ in The Stolen Earth. I think it's just a continuity error, unfortunately.”
But if I recall that's an official greeting thing plus it sounded hilarious... they just wanted DT to match his bingidy bong speech.
Originally Posted by Torry_Z:
“But if I recall that's an official greeting thing plus it sounded hilarious... they just wanted DT to match his bingidy bong speech.”
“But if I recall that's an official greeting thing plus it sounded hilarious... they just wanted DT to match his bingidy bong speech.”
And in that sense, perhaps today's episode was aiming for the same thing. I'm sure some of the untranslated scenes were intended to be funny - I doubt they would have had the same effect if it didn't result in the main characters barking like dogs, for example.
The TARDIS has a history of having issues with people who are wrong in a temporal sense. From what I've come to understand, it really didn't like Charley from the audio stories (she survived a fixed point that was supposed to have her die), and it went to the end of the universe just to get rid of Jack.
Whatever the deal is with Clara, the TARDIS knows to some extent that something is up.
Oh, as for the comments about the translation; I've always figured that it wasn't so much as it not working for Clara, but rather there being no direct translations between certain alien languages and English. That sometimes happens with Earth languages.
Whatever the deal is with Clara, the TARDIS knows to some extent that something is up.
Oh, as for the comments about the translation; I've always figured that it wasn't so much as it not working for Clara, but rather there being no direct translations between certain alien languages and English. That sometimes happens with Earth languages.
When it comes to the TARDIS translation circuit, RTD explained off screen that the reason the Judoon were not translated in The Stolen Earth was because their language wasn't deemed intelligent enough, little more than animal grunts as it were. Perhaps it was the same today with the stall vendor, after all, animal noises is what it sounded like.
And on the point of if the TARDIS is deliberately not translating for Clara - it seems she references the fact she's speaking Russian in next weeks episode according to some teasers.
And on the point of if the TARDIS is deliberately not translating for Clara - it seems she references the fact she's speaking Russian in next weeks episode according to some teasers.
The translation circuit is there for viewers not characters. If the story requires a companion to converse with an alien, then the circuit is the short-cut for having to explain to pedants how you can travel through the universe and everyone speaks English. It probably wasn't even thought of until sometime in 1998 when a Usenet post irritatingly asked that very question.
RTD only had to explain the point about the Judoon because he was thinking on his feet after several fans snickeringly pointed out that we heard their language. His real explanation (one Moffatt would be more willing to give) was "Isn't it more interesting and more fun when you get to hear an alien language occasionally? But wouldn't it be tedious if all the dialogue had to go through the Doctor to translate? Then we'd have to explain to you people that the Doctor somehow managed to learn every language in the universe! And the companion would never, ever be able to wander off alone!".
When the story requires that the companion can't understand - for example to convey the disorientation of Clara on her first visit beyond Earth, or because an important plot point requires that a companion either doesn't understand or is disliked by the Tardis - then it doesn't work.
It's possible it's a mark of the Tardis's dislike, but that was conveyed perfectly with the locked door. So it's more likely it was for artistic reasons of having Clara out of her depth on an alien world. After all, she talked to the little girl perfectly well, because that relationship needed it artistically.
Simple.
RTD only had to explain the point about the Judoon because he was thinking on his feet after several fans snickeringly pointed out that we heard their language. His real explanation (one Moffatt would be more willing to give) was "Isn't it more interesting and more fun when you get to hear an alien language occasionally? But wouldn't it be tedious if all the dialogue had to go through the Doctor to translate? Then we'd have to explain to you people that the Doctor somehow managed to learn every language in the universe! And the companion would never, ever be able to wander off alone!".
When the story requires that the companion can't understand - for example to convey the disorientation of Clara on her first visit beyond Earth, or because an important plot point requires that a companion either doesn't understand or is disliked by the Tardis - then it doesn't work.
It's possible it's a mark of the Tardis's dislike, but that was conveyed perfectly with the locked door. So it's more likely it was for artistic reasons of having Clara out of her depth on an alien world. After all, she talked to the little girl perfectly well, because that relationship needed it artistically.
Simple.
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