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Old 09-04-2013, 11:29
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So yer old games won't be compatible.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...x-console.html
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Old 09-04-2013, 13:48
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Well this was rumoured ages ago but from the same specification sheet that was leaked and taken down by Microsoft it stated the Durango included 3 dedicated PPC cores for Xbox 360 b/c. Some of the media is just having a laugh with all these rumours to generate hits.

Nothing is certain, but the likelihood of B/C based on the leaked spec sheet is as likely as anything else you've read.

Both Sony (via cloud) and Nintendo (natively) feature B/C for next gen, it's an important feature and selling point and has been now for the past two generations for all three manufactures. So why would MS omit it now, especially when they have by far the largest install base they've ever had?
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:03
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Is this going to mean that once the hardware becomes powerful enough that Xbox 720's and PS4's are going to be piss easy to emulate.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:15
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The original Xbox was x86 and the 360 was backwards compatible so why would it not be possible the other way?

Also macs used to be PPC and they emulated PPC software fine on X86.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:36
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The original Xbox was x86 and the 360 was backwards compatible so why would it not be possible the other way?

Also macs used to be PPC and they emulated PPC software fine on X86.
I don't see it being powerful enough to emulate the Xbox powerPC.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:48
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I don't see it being powerful enough to emulate the Xbox powerPC.
How so? The jaguar SoC is much faster than the PPC used on the 360.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:53
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How so? The jaguar SoC is much faster than the PPC used on the 360.
Its got to emulate the graphics hardware which does most of the work.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:49
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Is this going to mean that once the hardware becomes powerful enough that Xbox 720's and PS4's are going to be piss easy to emulate.
port to yes, emulate no.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:46
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Its got to emulate the graphics hardware which does most of the work.
Isn't the design of the Xenon GPU pretty similar to the GPU on the jaguar?
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Old 11-04-2013, 23:16
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Bottom line is if they want to do it they will but it's quite obvious it would be part hardware based and not software emulation. I'd be more surprised if they don't do it given that both Nintendo and Sony are in one form or another.

Think about XBLA, it's a major selling point for 360. If there'no B/C then a library will have to be built upon from scratch, including countless retro games that have already previously made their way to the service. Will 4J studios really want to start another port of the immensely popular Minecraft XBLA (given how much work that's taken?) It doesn't make sense.

I also think the rumours of this Stingray 360 (rumoured to relase at just $99 in US) point to the fact MS have managed to scale the hardware down to be cheap enough to include in the new machine. 3 PPC cores would not add much to the total cost of the machine yet it would give the next Xbox an edge over PS4.
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Old 12-04-2013, 14:09
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Latest rumours from vgleaks

Originally Posted by vgleaks

Xbox Mini

The “Xbox Mini” is not a 360 add-on, it is a stand alone product that contains Xbox 360 functions for gaming, and alone it is meant to compete with Apple TV. Since it is likely it will not have a disc drive, it is being designed with “always online” in mind, and with internet being required for Live functions. Xbox 360 Games can be played on it by purchasing Games on Demand on Xbox Live (for new purchases) or if already purchased, simply download it. This also applies to music and movies. To further clarify, the Durango will also have these (TV) functions, just with next-genration gaming hardware instead of Xbox 360 at a higher price.

When used with Durango, it offers connectivity with it for backwards compatibility with both disc based and On Demand games, and it’s no more different than what Sony will be doing with Gaikai for playing PS3 games on PS4, only with Xbox it will be done locally and not through the cloud. You can control the Xbox Mini under a single interface and not have to worry about switching between devices in a single display input.

These connectivity functions cannot work with existing Xbox 360 units due to the difference in external interface. The Xbox Mini was designed for this along side Durango.
Microsoft expands its Xbox brand

Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.

The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price.

http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/
Not sounding so bad now is it? Funny how websites that use VGleaks for all their rumours haven't picked up on this one just yet. I guess it's far too positive and won't generate the traffic they'd like since it contradicts past rumours too.

To me this makes sense, it's offers huge advantage over cloud gaming and while the add-on strategy is not ideal, it will at least ensure a long lifespan for the 360 brand, it's online servers and will enable us to continue to play our games for many years to come. It could also mean that XBLA will continue to be a viable platform to create games on in the future.
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Old 12-04-2013, 17:47
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i.e. just keep your existing your xbox360 at no extra cost
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Old 12-04-2013, 18:34
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I don't have the power sockets, HDMI ports, or shelf / TV unit space to keep my 360 *and* have a "Durango".
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Old 12-04-2013, 21:49
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I don't have the power sockets, HDMI ports, or shelf / TV unit space to keep my 360 *and* have a "Durango".
I do. The extra box at extra cost has features that I already have or I dont need. Looks like it will be a long time before a Durango enters my house.
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Old 16-04-2013, 22:33
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http://pastebin.com/avbwJc17

Interesting if true. A 360 SoC inside every 720, which could be used in conjunction with the 720's hardware for 720 games?

So, an 8-core x86 CPU, plus a Power PC triple-core CPU?
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Old 16-04-2013, 22:44
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Dunno where you got the link from, but comes from NeoGAF and from reading the thread a lot of people aren't believing it. Mainly just the hardest of the hardcore Xbots that are.

A lot of pro-Xboxers are saying they want it to be true but have their doubts.

Kinda makes sense - I mean how does posting on a forum jeopardise your job but posting on pastebin doesn't?

I also find it unusual that he hasn't touched this new controller yet knows that it looks the same but feels different.

We know that new controllers are in the hands of developers and if you believe the rumours, are masked in that zebra-like-cloaking-device that car manufactures use to hide curves and shapes from photographs.

It reads like someone who just read the leaked PDF. Glasses - check. Hardware backwards compatibility with both PowerPC and 720new 6-8 core x86 CPU - check.

Original info didn't contain info on Xbox Mini but now is confirming it is true. Why not tell us before?

In short - there is no new info in this release except that the d-pad looks the same, but feels different but he hasn't actually felt it himself.

Everything else was in the leaked document from yonks ago. Which I believe to be true, so by proxy a lot in here I think is true.
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Old 16-04-2013, 22:53
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Interesting if true. A 360 SoC inside every 720, which could be used in conjunction with the 720's hardware for 720 games?

So, an 8-core x86 CPU, plus a Power PC triple-core CPU?
And a ARM CPU for Always On (as in powered, not online for standby downloading/patching.
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Old 16-04-2013, 22:56
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Dunno where you got the link from, but comes from NeoGAF and from reading the thread a lot of people aren't believing it. Mainly just the hardest of the hardcore Xbots that are.
Got it from here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rumor...t-345925.shtml

Could be complete BS, guess well know next month.
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Old 17-04-2013, 06:55
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Got it from here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rumor...t-345925.shtml

Could be complete BS, guess well know next month.
I very much doubt they'll have a separate 360 chip on the same motherboard due to the amount of extra heat it would generate - dont want another RROD scenario.

And if its just triple core that's being produced how will 360 graphics be emulated on the 720?
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Old 17-04-2013, 18:25
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I very much doubt they'll have a separate 360 chip on the same motherboard due to the amount of extra heat it would generate - dont want another RROD scenario.

And if its just triple core that's being produced how will 360 graphics be emulated on the 720?
It is an SoC (system on chip), so it has CPU and GPU on one chip.

The current Xbox 360 Slims use an SoC already.

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conten...08/x360soc.png
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Old 17-04-2013, 19:17
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I very much doubt they'll have a separate 360 chip on the same motherboard due to the amount of extra heat it would generate - dont want another RROD scenario.

And if its just triple core that's being produced how will 360 graphics be emulated on the 720?
The original launch 360 model drew 170 watts of power from the mains, the new redesigned 360s model only draws 85 watts. That re-design was 3 years ago, they probably have that down to such a low level now there would be no heating problems it something like that was included inside the new Xbox.
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Old 18-04-2013, 20:19
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So, when is the announcement regarding the new Xbox due?

I thought i heard end of April, but that seems to of gone quiet?
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Old 18-04-2013, 21:01
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So, when is the announcement regarding the new Xbox due?

I thought i heard end of April, but that seems to of gone quiet?
CVG (who broke April 26) said it was put back to May, and some Windows blogger was more specific and said May 21st.
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Old 18-04-2013, 22:56
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CVG (who broke April 26) said it was put back to May, and some Windows blogger was more specific and said May 21st.
That would be Paul Thurrott on What the Tech. I have always found his information to be very reliable.
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Old 19-04-2013, 00:12
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I very much doubt they'll have a separate 360 chip on the same motherboard due to the amount of extra heat it would generate - dont want another RROD scenario.

And if its just triple core that's being produced how will 360 graphics be emulated on the 720?
Original PS3 had PS2 soc.
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