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Old 09-04-2013, 13:31
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I have always been a huge HO fan, and have stuck with it through the good and the bad times.

But, the return of Claire has made me really want to switch off. The acting is awful - she is so cringey. The interaction between her and Browning is not believable. I really cannot stand the way so over pronounces every single word.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned. I just needed to vent!!
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Old 09-04-2013, 13:34
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I love Clare!

Anyway, when she returns properly she'll no doubt interact with other characters a bit more, having her stuck with Browning isn't helping IMO.
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Old 09-04-2013, 13:39
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I've never got the fascination with Clare. The actress is dire, and the character is just embarrassing. I don't understand why she keeps being brought back. I wished they had killed her off!
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Old 09-04-2013, 13:58
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I've never got the fascination with Clare. The actress is dire, and the character is just embarrassing. I don't understand why she keeps being brought back. I wished they had killed her off!
Completely agree, I've continued to watch through years of poor acting; storylines and characters which don't interest me etc., because there's been enough left which I've enjoyed. Clare's return may well be the end of it for me though, I've already started fast forwarding through her stuff because its just so bad.
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Old 09-04-2013, 14:39
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I don't understand why she would kidnap Mercedes and put a ransom out on her? The McQueen's have no money and Dr Browning is hardly going to have loads of savings.

I switched off as soon as it all started because I just hate the sensationalist rubbish that comes from these sorts of storylines!
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Old 09-04-2013, 14:41
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I don't understand why she would kidnap Mercedes and put a ransom out on her? The McQueen's have no money and Dr Browning is hardly going to have loads of savings.

I switched off as soon as it all started because I just hate the sensationalist rubbish that comes from these sorts of storylines!
Because she met Mercedes in Vegas and not anyone else I suppose.

Browning should have a fair amount saved away as well.
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Old 09-04-2013, 14:42
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I don't like her either. She played a good baddy back in the day but now she's aged a bit it doesn't seem as convincing.

Her return just seems completely plonked in the middle, over the top and predictable.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:25
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I'm glad it's not just me. I agree with hsellors her character seems stuck in the past. It's weird it's like she believes in her own hype.

I hope it gets better or I will too be ffwarding them scenes. I'd rather watch a liberty/ will scene than one with Claire in it!!!
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:07
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It's like she has become a caricature of her former self.

A character can not breeze in and just be that evil right from the off, she is giving herself a shelf life.

Her original stint was good because she at first integrated herself into the village, built herself up and it was only us and OB that new what she as like- it was far more interesting.

When she returns in the summer how is she ever going to stay in the village full time, she will have made enemies of all the McQueens not to mention she is hardly going to be liked by the rest of the residence.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:00
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I think HO has been ruined since BK has been back. He wrecked BB's exit, mitzeees's exit, brought back Claire who would be cheesy in a panto let alone HO, has wrecked the aftermath of Esther's brilliant story & has changed so many characters beyond recognition overnight- Callum, Jen to name a couple!! I also dknt like the way theyve gone back to this style of having blocks of storyline then completely forgotten for weeks on end-where's Ste?!?! Finally, I HATE this Jacqui storyline-it is so unbelievable that she has been living with this baby secret all these years, through her fertility issues, the rape etc and only now does it come to light. And the whole trudy/vodka thing!!!! Also, hate that mercy will br her ultimate downfall although i have to admit that is kind of fitting as shes always played second fiddle to her & sacrificed her own happiness for the good of the famy. The only good things I have seen so far (& I'm not sure if they're his doing) are introducing Patrick & sienna although their connection to the awful savages is a shame!!! Sorry to rant but I am a long-time fan & was loving HO til recently!
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:20
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I've never got the fascination with Clare. The actress is dire, and the character is just embarrassing. I don't understand why she keeps being brought back. I wished they had killed her off!
BK has a thing about returning characters that noone cares for simply because he likes them
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:28
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I don't think all the blame for HO being so horrendous atm can be laid just at Clares door. Yes she is a shadow of her former self and this SL has been very poorly thought out and shows none of the actors involved in a good light.

But with HO there is often a poor SL which can be ignored, in the main, because there are other thing going on to capture the interest. Currently the only thing which people are praising, me included, is the Blake family plot. Regrettably when they aren't shown for any length of the time, the other SLs being shown are so bad, that it is easy to lose interest.

Jacqui/Trudy - Will/Texas are just as dire as Clare/Dr B /Mercedes. Only the Blakes are piqueing my interest but it is shown only for a few moments each episode whilst we have to endure pathetic McQueen comedy antics or focus on the this over rated Clare thing.

We stick at it though in the hope it will improve. If it doesn't soon, then I think some of the fans will join the legions of Brendan fans who have switched off.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:58
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Anyone know if the ratings are down?
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:10
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Anyone know if the ratings are down?
Seem to be. Last night's are just under a million but Monday night's was around 700k, 100k down on the previous week. The week before that (and I know it's a bad word these days, but the episode following Brendan's exit) got 1.2 million on the Monday. So - and it seems like a general decline, not just Brendan plot induced - it's 500k down.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:11
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Seem to be. Last night's are just under a million but Monday night's was around 700k, 100k down on the previous week. The week before that (and I know it's a bad word these days, but the episode following Brendan's exit) got 1.2 million on the Monday. So - and it seems like a general decline, not just Brendan plot induced - it's 500k down.
That's awful, wouldn't be surprised if it's taxi for Kirkwood by October, as I think that's when his contract will run out.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:22
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That's awful, wouldn't be surprised if it's taxi for Kirkwood by October, as I think that's when his contract will run out.
Another producer, more changes is the last thing that's needed. I think the worst problem right now is that three of the most popular characters in the show have left/are leaving in Jacqui's case.

And as yet, the other stories and characters aren't good enough. The Blakes are the best thing and even they're too new for any sort of investment. Plus the fact they're dragged to the pits by Will's plot (Texas is almost as bad as he is) and that dominates lately.

There's very little to care about, there are very few fan favourite characters to fall back on. They need big new characters but casting is always difficult, and it takes a good for months for people to give a damn. That's not to say there aren't good characters and actors about, but are they being used? Familiar faces, big characters and big stories have gone. And what's been left? Either insanely poor actors in big plots or better actors in very little plot.

The best move right now would probably be forget the Clare return, don't give her a longer stint. Or do something surprising with her and shock people by killing off a "safe" character like Mercedes.

Sadly neither will happen.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:26
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Another producer, more changes is the last thing that's needed. I think the worst problem right now is that three of the most popular characters in the show have left/are leaving in Jacqui's case.

And as yet, the other stories and characters aren't good enough. The Blakes are the best thing and even they're too new for any sort of investment. Plus the fact they're dragged to the pits by Will's plot (Texas is almost as bad as he is) and that dominates lately.

There's very little to care about, there are very few fan favourite characters to fall back on. They need big new characters but casting is always difficult, and it takes a good for months for people to give a damn. That's not to say there aren't good characters and actors about, but are they being used? Familiar faces, big characters and big stories have gone. And what's been left? Either insanely poor actors in big plots or better actors in very little plot.

The best move right now would probably be forget the Clare return, don't give her a longer stint. Or do something surprising with her and shock people by killing off a "safe" character like Mercedes.

Sadly neither will happen.
Lime Pictures won't be happy though that more of a third of the audience is down from only three weeks ago... they'll be questions raised. My worry is if Kirkwood DOES fail as producer the show will be axed or moved to E4, I have a feeling it'll be a case of 'if he can't do it, no one can'.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:36
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Lime Pictures won't be happy though that more of a third of the audience is down from only three weeks ago... they'll be questions raised. My worry is if Kirkwood DOES fail as producer the show will be axed or moved to E4, I have a feeling it'll be a case of 'if he can't do it, no one can'.
I guess we'll see how Texas' death goes and the introduction of the Roscoes. Her death will hopefully lead to an exit for Will and that'll at least cut that story and two of the actors that are like a dead weight.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:37
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I guess we'll see how Texas' death goes and the introduction of the Roscoes. Her death will hopefully lead to an exit for Will and that'll at least cut that story and two of the actors that are like a dead weight.
Kirkwood has already said Will's 'the star of the show', so he'll be with us for a long, long time if Kirkwood has his way.

Lets just hope none of the other Roscoes are as bad as Robbie.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:43
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Kirkwood has already said Will's 'the star of the show', so he'll be with us for a long, long time if Kirkwood has his way.

Lets just hope none of the other Roscoes are as bad as Robbie.
He didn't actually use those words, more that he liked the brother rivalry between him and Dodger. It was a comment on the story right now, to promote it rather than the future of the show. They can't be blind as to how unpopular he is.

I don't think Robbie's bad either. Decent enough actor, little shit of a character but doesn't mean he's "bad". There's potential. He's certainly seems more watchable as a little shit than say Gaz or Bart ever were.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:55
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I like Clare, but the Browning/Mercedes storyline is poor. It would have been better if she just heard that the club was for sale and made a low-key return to Hollyoaks that way, rather than this over the top kidnap storyline.

I'm still looking forward to her scenes with Tom, Jack and Tony, and hopefully her full return will be better.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:14
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I have always championed Mercedes but her schpill last night about how much she loves Paul and can't live without him is so tired (Malachi, Riley anyone?) I would never want Mercedes to leave but they need to ditch Paul and Claire and make her fun again.

I am totally alone in this, but I love freaky Will! I think he is awesome to watch and I just want him to get weirder. I think the Silas interaction messed up his head. Maybe he gets some of his mentalities from his mum (I know there its pretty much a sure thing that Patrick is the bad guy, but she did try and kill her kids, no matter what). Also, I am really wanting to know how she ended up with Drik???? Has it been mentioned?
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:16
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Its as though the actress has forgot how to act!
She was good in HO before and done a good job at EE playing practically the same character but this time rounf she is so wooden and pronounces every word as though she is reading it from an auto cue.

HO had an oppertunity to bring their 3 biggest villans (Browning, Claire & Mercedes) together and could have had an explosive storyline to make all the viewers forget about Brendan. Instead we have this dull drama which barely anybody has interest in.

I liked the idea of the girls teaming up against the doctor and some mercy/claire scences arent that bad but it's this ridiculous plot that is ruining it. Mercedes kidnapped again? Just stupidity whats this her 3rd kiddnapping now.

Also very annoyed Browning got the club would have been nice to see Maxine in there or even Claire. But Browning is a doctor what is he going to do with a club? Will HO decide to forget he is a doctor and turn him into a sucessful business man instead.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:35
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I have always championed Mercedes but her schpill last night about how much she loves Paul and can't live without him is so tired (Malachi, Riley anyone?) I would never want Mercedes to leave but they need to ditch Paul and Claire and make her fun again.

I am totally alone in this, but I love freaky Will! I think he is awesome to watch and I just want him to get weirder. I think the Silas interaction messed up his head. Maybe he gets some of his mentalities from his mum (I know there its pretty much a sure thing that Patrick is the bad guy, but she did try and kill her kids, no matter what). Also, I am really wanting to know how she ended up with Drik???? Has it been mentioned?
I loved Mercedes and Paul when they were obsessive and dark together and she was all "Ah you killed Lynsey, oh well - let's run away together!" or when she was a mental bitch. But I hate all the "poor Mercy" stuff. Also what does Paul have to do to prove his love? He freaking murdered someone!

The actual Will story is great but I think James is distractingly poor and it detracts from the story - there's no indications about anyone's motivations. It's not there in the acting.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:56
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Gemma Bissix has always been a shockingly bad actress who got very lucky.

Clare's first stint had its moments but her purpose in the show was better back then. Her main story arc was Max. Once that ended her character was complete. There is nothing else she can add without the character becoming a parody of itself and that is now what has happened. Its never wise to try and recreate a past glory. To be honest its lazy and is obviously backfiring as so many are complaining about her.
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