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Brian Dowlings worst bits.
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Veri
15-04-2013
Originally Posted by Timalloy84:
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-Not listening to any answers that interviewees give him. E.g Brian: What did you think of Conor?

Arron: he's a great guy, my best friend in the house and I want him to win.

Brian: and finally, who do you want to win?

Arron: Conor.

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Yes, a standard sign of a poor presenter.

Of course, even a good presenter may do it occasionally. But when it's put together with other aspects of Brian's presenting (such as how wooden he seemed), it is rather telling against Brian. He was struggling in a way that Davina, for example, didn't.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
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Davina was worse though. She was constantly looking at her cue cards trying to find the next question and obviously not hearing a single word of the answer being given.
...”

That claim that Davina was worse is undermined by the exaggeration that she was constantly "... trying to find the next question and obviously not hearing a single word of the answer being given."

Davina wasn't a great presenter either, but she was certainly better than Brian.

Have you considered, btw, that a presenter might be looking at the cards but not because they're "trying to find the next question" or haven't heard what the HM said?

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“That was surely Ch 5's decision. The initial questions are all theirs; it is only what you might call secondary questions that Brian might think of on the hoof.”

We don't actually know that either part of that is right.

(It's unlikely in any case that Ch 5 would be deciding such things, rather than BB producers. But for all we know, the initial questions could be decided in a production meeting in which the presenter has some input; the presenter could be allowed to ask some initial questions of their own; and the producers might control secondary questions as well.)

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“Again, he is being blamed for something that was not his fault. You surely don't think he CHOSE to repeat the same phrase over and over again? Ch 5 were covering themselves against future complaints. Trying to turn it into a little catch phrase was not exactly a brilliant gag, but what could he do, really, with the order to repeat the same spiel 100 times in a row?”

He could do what other presenters do in such cases (mostly just repeating the required wording) rather than try to make it "entertaining" with that irritating, sing-songy "you're too laaa-ate" nonsense.
Veri
15-04-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I think that in their efforts to rubbish Brian people are hugely overstating the brilliance of other people. ... Emma seems a nice enough person but the first series of BBOTS was beyond dire, and she never gave the impression that she cared about any of the things that were so obviously wrong with it.”

So you want Emma to be unprofessional by publicly questioning the show?

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“The only BB presenters who I thought was consistently professional were Dermot - a wee bit downbeat, but fair and thoughtful - and Russell Brand, and we won't be getting either of them. ...”

Dermot and Russell consistently professional? To make that work, "professional" will need a rather strange meaning.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
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Not at all, but a lot of the things that were so poor could have been better managed. She seemed arbitrary when she would challenge or not challenge comments, for example. For example she let the monstering of Maisy run when it should certainly have been stopped.”

What was the "monstering" of Maisy?

BTW, you rightly note that some of the things Brian did would have been decided by producers but seem to think everything Emma did was down to her.
Timalloy84
15-04-2013
Originally Posted by bill deburg:
“I thought he was ok at first, if a bit nervous and wooden and would improve with time however, as others have said. his behaviour and comments towards housemates became increasingly inappropriate and uncomfortable to watch at times while his presenting didnt really improve since starting the show.

I agree Maisy got a hard time but more often than not I think she was pretty fair to most of the housemates.”

Maisy was on Brians first year so it'd have been him that allowed her to get a hard time.
InMyArms
15-04-2013
Brian was awful, worse than Zezi.
wonkeydonkey
15-04-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
“BTW, you rightly note that some of the things Brian did would have been decided by producers but seem to think everything Emma did was down to her.”

No, I think Emma is quite good, but 'untried' is also a good word for her. We have seen her present a truly dreadful programme (not, obviously, designed by her) that became rather better as the producers dropped a lot of the worst aspects. We haven't really seen her deal with anything very tricky; when tricky situations have arisen, such as Maisy being subjected to unpleasant abuse, she has let it run. She might be better than Davina or Brian, but we don't know that from what we have seen.

It does seem to me that the qualities needed by a sparky, lively presenter are not necessarily the ones needed by an interviewer. I always thought Davina was fine at showing us round the house and generally jollying along the crowd; it was her interviews that I often found very poor. I suspect that they were not very well prepared, on the grounds that the CBB Jade Goody interview - which was undoubtedly prepared to the nth degree since the eyes of the world were on her - was well done. There is no special reason why Endemol should not separate the functions and leave us with a presenter and an interviewer, both chosen for different qualities.
Veri
15-04-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“No, I think Emma is quite good, but 'untried' is also a good word for her. We have seen her present a truly dreadful programme (not, obviously, designed by her) that became rather better as the producers dropped a lot of the worst aspects. We haven't really seen her deal with anything very tricky; when tricky situations have arisen, such as Maisy being subjected to unpleasant abuse, she has let it run. She might be better than Davina or Brian, but we don't know that from what we have seen.

It does seem to me that the qualities needed by a sparky, lively presenter are not necessarily the ones needed by an interviewer. I always thought Davina was fine at showing us round the house and generally jollying along the crowd; it was her interviews that I often found very poor. I suspect that they were not very well prepared, on the grounds that the CBB Jade Goody interview - which was undoubtedly prepared to the nth degree since the eyes of the world were on her - was well done. There is no special reason why Endemol should not separate the functions and leave us with a presenter and an interviewer, both chosen for different qualities.”

You still seem to be blaming Emma for the "truly dreadful programme" that BOTS was at first. You even phrase it as if that's all we've seen her do.

(Maisy's treatment on BOTS seems to be one of those things that's somehow become a cause célèbre here, for reasons unknown. Re Emma "let it run", for all we know, she was told to let it run.)

Your case against Davina is rather odd as well. You suspect that her interviews "were not very well prepared" since they weren't as "well done" as an interview that was "undoubtedly prepared to the nth degree". Since when does the level of preparation leap from "the nth degree" straight to "not very well"?

Anyway, we have by now seem Emma do a lot of BB interviews, going back to when she was on BBLB. Your post makes it sound like we're seen her only on BOTS and only as a presenter -- as if she didn't do interviews! (Note how you distinguish between presenters and interviews and mention Emma only as a presenter.)

And from what we've seen, Emma is a better interviewer than Brian or Davina. Sure, maybe she won't be able to show that in the different environment of the right-after-eviction interview, but that would be true of anyone picked to replace Brian.
Timalloy84
15-04-2013
Emma doesn't molest her guests, so already she has 1 up on the last presenter.
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