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Old 16-04-2013, 21:17
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I know this might start a whole O2 bashing thread, but here we go

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...ssive--1144856
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Old 16-04-2013, 21:37
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Sounds good, now all they need to do is live up to their word and actually reveal their 4G price plans.
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Old 16-04-2013, 21:57
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I can't help but think that O2's (or any other network's, for that matter) definition of 'mind-blowingly aggressive' is a tad different to that of the average customer.
Something truly mind-blowing would require a level of investment that I can't see any of the networks being prepared to undertake.

Still, I could be wrong.
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Old 16-04-2013, 23:20
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*it's mind-blowingly aggressive compared to our UK 3G rollout."

So basically if you just want 3G on O2 forget it
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Old 17-04-2013, 12:02
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*it's mind-blowingly aggressive compared to our UK 3G rollout."

So basically if you just want 3G on O2 forget it
Given their 3G coverage could best be described as a damp squib that wouldn't be difficult

I would think 3G coverage improvements will be minor at best and probably concentrated on the haves rather than have nots.
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Old 17-04-2013, 12:10
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Given their 3G coverage could best be described as a damp squib that wouldn't be difficult

I would think 3G coverage improvements will be minor at best and probably concentrated on the haves rather than have nots.
Yeah I can see them bringing a good 4G coverage and expecting everyone to simply pay extra so they can get good signal which is wrong.
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Old 17-04-2013, 13:52
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Yeah I can see them bringing a good 4G coverage and expecting everyone to simply pay extra so they can get good signal which is wrong.
O2 has taken on Ofcom's coverage obligation which means that it must provide indoor coverage to 98% of the UK population by end of 2017. You probably wont see any improvement over 3G coverage untill 2017. Or untill 2018 when Ofcom threatens to fine them as usual
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Old 17-04-2013, 14:04
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Unless I missed it, the article has an interesting absence of any actual targets, its just vague statements. Not that reassuring when Telefonica isn't exactly rolling in cash to really push investment and speed up rollout.
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Old 17-04-2013, 21:03
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They won't need to bother with 3G if they do rollout LTE properly. They have the best 2G fallback voice network of anybody. Since a huge percentage of O2 users aren't intersted in data, they may just pull a really clever move meaning they can spend more of the cash that would have gone on 3G on LTE instead. Millions of 2G users will slowly move to LTE skipping 3G altogether.
They'll have to get the pricing right though.
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Old 17-04-2013, 21:38
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They won't need to bother with 3G if they do rollout LTE properly. They have the best 2G fallback voice network of anybody. Since a huge percentage of O2 users aren't intersted in data, they may just pull a really clever move meaning they can spend more of the cash that would have gone on 3G on LTE instead. Millions of 2G users will slowly move to LTE skipping 3G altogether.
They'll have to get the pricing right though.
Of course they will have to do lots of things but they wont loose sight of what they have and they will upgrade their 3G network as that will cost little to do and provide lots of additional capacity where they already have the infrastructure in place.

The deal sharing with Vodafone may alter O2's previous strategy as they may now have more economical access to shared sites which can be provisioned for the latest 3G data transmission.

I doubt if any network has abandoned 3G development and expect all of them to continue to extend coverage. O2 with it's 4G commitment may prioritise LTE on 800MHz but I'm sure they will also extend 3G during the process of sharing with Vodafone as that will provide them with additional bandwidth capacity that they already own and can use with the addition of equipment in extra locations.

It'll be very interesting to revisit this issue in 3-5 years and see what has transpired. I expect those who think what happened with 3G will be replicated with 4G and that 3G will be abandoned may be very misguided and may not have considered what has developed to date in terms of commercial success.
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Old 18-04-2013, 01:00
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They have the best 2G fallback voice network of anybody.
Really? I've found they are no longer the best especially in Scotland. It's close though, however at least with EE 2G you can hear the other person clearly....
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Old 18-04-2013, 09:50
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Really? I've found they are no longer the best especially in Scotland. It's close though, however at least with EE 2G you can hear the other person clearly....
I said they probably had the best coverage... I didn't say that it actually worked though.. Haha
I would say that down here they certainly are the best. Whenever I go to some customer in the back of beyond and find I don't have a signal, that customer is nearly always on O2 because "it's the only thing that really works here".
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Old 18-04-2013, 13:59
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Devon: That shall change soon..
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Old 18-04-2013, 14:15
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Really? I've found they are no longer the best especially in Scotland. It's close though, however at least with EE 2G you can hear the other person clearly....
That's something I found quite recently (Most people I know are on a EE network, 3 or Voda). Someone I know recently moved from 3 to O2 (Giffgaff) with the same handset and now I really cannot hear them when they call - just sounds all muffled.
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Old 18-04-2013, 14:46
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That's something I found quite recently (Most people I know are on a EE network, 3 or Voda). Someone I know recently moved from 3 to O2 (Giffgaff) with the same handset and now I really cannot hear them when they call - just sounds all muffled.
I've found the voice clarity on Vodafone to be particularly bad as well. EE operate HD voice so that may be why sound quality when making calls is a lot better
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Old 18-04-2013, 23:20
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*it's mind-blowingly aggressive compared to our UK 3G rollout."

So basically if you just want 3G on O2 forget it
Wrong!

Ofcom has made it clear Telefonica O2 must improve 3G in rural areas and expand coverage as part of the terms of receiving a 4G licence.

O2 3G is good when in an area with good 3G coverage, but O2' 2G beats all networks from basements to remote areas. At least they allow you access to BT Wifi as well as there own
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Old 18-04-2013, 23:30
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Really? I've found they are no longer the best especially in Scotland. It's close though, however at least with EE 2G you can hear the other person clearly....
Both the Orange and T-Mobile networks are equally as patchy as each other. Phones that keep switching between the two signals constantly because of poor signal will miss calls.

The former T-Mobile network around here has got worse meaning I have a theory that EE is sabotaging it in favour of replacing T-Mobile 2G masts with 4G ones. Finding new locations,premises and getting planning permission is a lot of hassle. Amending existing sites sometimes doesn't need prior approval of local authorities.

The T-Mobile network in Northern Ireland has now permanently been switched off. All T-Mobile and Virgin customers now have to roam on Orange.
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Old 19-04-2013, 00:16
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Devon: That shall change soon..
What, because of the new dual polar antennas?
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Old 19-04-2013, 00:34
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Wrong!

Ofcom has made it clear Telefonica O2 must improve 3G in rural areas and expand coverage as part of the terms of receiving a 4G licence.

O2 3G is good when in an area with good 3G coverage, but O2' 2G beats all networks from basements to remote areas. At least they allow you access to BT Wifi as well as there own
You think?!!
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Old 19-04-2013, 00:40
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Wrong!

Ofcom has made it clear Telefonica O2 must improve 3G in rural areas and expand coverage as part of the terms of receiving a 4G licence.

O2 3G is good when in an area with good 3G coverage, but O2' 2G beats all networks from basements to remote areas. At least they allow you access to BT Wifi as well as there own
No they havent. But here are plenty of documents to wade through

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spe...800mhz-2.6ghz/
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Old 19-04-2013, 01:38
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What, because of the new dual polar antennas?
Think i said this in another thread, but dual polar antennas are not remotely new...

(You might be a bit tongue in cheek but i can't tell at the moment after a few beverages...)
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Old 19-04-2013, 08:29
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"At least they allow you access to BT Wifi as well as there own"

So does EE....
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Old 19-04-2013, 08:42
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"At least they allow you access to BT Wifi as well as there own"

So does EE....
You are paying them as a mobile carrier though, you want phone services. That costs them pennies and is a token effort, rather than investing in a widespread high performance macro network.
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Old 19-04-2013, 09:02
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You are paying them as a mobile carrier though, you want phone services. That costs them pennies and is a token effort, rather than investing in a widespread high performance macro network.
Agreed I don't to have to hunt down wifi points when I can be on Three with Unlimited 3G [Soon to be 4G] data. Three have the right attitude Data is probably most important thing on phone these days with a lot of things like whatsapp replacing texting.
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Old 19-04-2013, 09:16
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That's something I found quite recently (Most people I know are on a EE network, 3 or Voda). Someone I know recently moved from 3 to O2 (Giffgaff) with the same handset and now I really cannot hear them when they call - just sounds all muffled.
O2 voice quality is in a league of its own crapness. Lol. Really poor. Its like listening to sound under water at times.
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