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Old 21-04-2013, 20:00
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I have found series 7b of Who to be very childish. The episodes are like something you would see on CBBC.
I wish they would be more grown up like they were from series 1/5.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:06
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Burping bins farting aliens, blowjobs from paving stones... need I say more. The "something you would see on CBBC" argument is just childish generalisation in itself and is an invalid argument.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:12
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Burping bins farting aliens, blowjobs from paving stones... need I say more. The "something you would see on CBBC" argument is just childish generalisation in itself and is an invalid argument.
You have give me a challenge and I would like to accept it.

Burping bins. They were included in an episode were scary Autons that killed people on the street.

Farting aliens. In an episode where the Big Ben is destroyed and downing blown up.

Blowjob from a paving stone. In an episode where several people are killed in a horrific way and a woman is trapped as a paving stone forever.

Now I admit they were childish things in the episodes but the rest of their episodes were quite dark.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:15
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"Doctor Who is getting too childish"

This will please Robert Banks Stewart.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:16
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You have give me a challenge and I would like to accept it.

Burping bins. They were included in an episode were scary Autons that killed people on the street.

Farting aliens. In an episode where the Big Ben is destroyed and downing blown up.

Blowjob from a paving stone. In an episode where several people are killed in a horrific way and a woman is trapped as a paving stone forever.

Now I admit they were childish things in the episodes but the rest of their episodes were quite dark.
Tell you what, you post a list of things that you think have been childish in recent episodes and I imagine people will have little difficulty doing what you have done here in response.

But seriously, how many threads like this do we need? Although that said, there is currently one on the front page already claiming "all the story so far seem too complexed" .

So which is it? childishly complicated or complicatedly childish?
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:22
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Moffat cannot win. One group of people claim its too complicated while another group of people claim its too childish.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:23
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Another opinion posted as fact!
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:24
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Moffat cannot win. One group of people claim its too complicated while another group of people claim its too childish.
As a Libra I try to find balance
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:25
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Moffat cannot win. One group of people claim its too complicated while another group of people claim its too childish.
And both groups are talking rubbish.

It's not childish and it's not too complicated.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:27
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Blimey, is it Groundhog day?
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:28
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Blimey, is it Groundhog day?
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:29
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Oh yes. Definitely. You see angry lizard warlords murder people in cold blood and deformed creatures which lurk in the shadows and move like a laggy video game all the time on CBBC.

For God sake, there have only been 4 episodes of Series 7 Part 2, you can hardly claim Doctor Who is childish now based solely on that...especially since you'd have to be clinically insane to claim that Cold War deserves to be on CBBC.

Anyway, the main characters of practically every CBBC show are children and I can't think of a single CBBC drama which doesn't feature children/teenagers heavily.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:29
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I will say that series 6 was very confusing in my opinion and I still don't understand what the story was about.

Are for it being childish well I'm not sure the only childish episodes in my opinion were Closing time and Dinasaurs on a spaceship.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:31
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I have found series 7b of Who to be very childish. The episodes are like something you would see on CBBC.
I wish they would be more grown up like they were from series 1/5.
a blow job is not childish
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:33
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a blow job is not childish
The blowjob happened in series 2.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:36
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You have give me a challenge and I would like to accept it.

Burping bins. They were included in an episode were scary Autons that killed people on the street.

Farting aliens. In an episode where the Big Ben is destroyed and downing blown up.

Blowjob from a paving stone. In an episode where several people are killed in a horrific way and a woman is trapped as a paving stone forever.

Now I admit they were childish things in the episodes but the rest of their episodes were quite dark.
I think people will disagree what qualifies as 'quite dark'. Watching Doctor Who, you become quite desensitised to death quite quickly. The darkness lies in the 'execution'.

My counter challenge would be that the nu-Who Autons - when defeated, flailing about like dancers doing the robot - looked very childish, and like something out of a CBBC show. In my opinion.

A Slitheen's last words before Downing St is blown up: "Oh bo-". Not childish, but not exactly adult either. Children leap on sneaky swears if they're old enough.

Woman trapped as a paving stone... the theme of the curse of immortality was hardly a prominent one there. The alien-of-the-week's northern accent and scooby-doo chases received much more air time.

In 7B, Cold War was set in ... the Cold War. That's pretty dark. The alien-of-the-week disembowels several crew members of a submarine. Pretty grim stuff.

Hide featured a character who was, spiritually, 'brought back to life', moving on from a sordid past. The Doctor was trapped, afraid, in a pocket universe with a (then-supposed) nasty creature. Pretty dark.

And Celia Imrie's character's 'demise' in The Bells of St John would at the very least bring a lump to your throat if you've had experience with a sufferer of Alzheimers.

I'm not saying one is darker than the other. Rather, child-like nuances always have and should always remain in Who. The balance may change from time to time, but variety is good.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:37
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:40
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I'm not sure in what sense things are "childish" from 7b? Maybe if the OP was to include reasons why they think this it would help me see their view.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:41
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The blowjob happened in series 2.
Yes I know that. I was watching it with my mates sons who were 9 & 11 .the 9 year said to after the line that they have s love life, shes give him blowjobs,
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:50
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a blow job is not childish
Au contraire.

Evidence at random: 'Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps' is easily one of the most childish programmes of the last decade.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:52
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I don't agree that it is more childish but I would like to point out that people seem to be a bit biased in their responses.

People have been saying RTD was childish by including Farting aliens and Blowjobs but Stephen Moffat included Dinosaurs acting like pets and Cunnilingus, so you know. And then saying that RTD included those and this series has had sad deaths, dark ships, a terrified Doctor, etc. When RTD era had that too. Sad deaths, dark ships and a terrified Doctor. People seem to be looking at it from the point of view of their argument a bit and ignoring the fast BOTH eras have silly aspects and adult aspects.

Also, Silly and Adult aren't mutually exclusive. And nor is childish and complicated. Card games for example are for children but are darn complicated.

So yeah.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:53
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Burping bins farting aliens, blowjobs from paving stones... need I say more. The "something you would see on CBBC" argument is just childish generalisation in itself and is an invalid argument.
Why is it, when someone states Doctor Who is getting too childish. You always get that ^^ in response.
It's a tired come back that has been said countless times, and it doesn't hold any more truth now, than it did the first time it was said.
RTD, for the most part wrote Doctor Who so that everyone could enjoy it. Moffat on the other hand, only seems to write what he thinks is enjoyable. That's the difference.
From the episodes he has wrote, from when he took over, I can count the number of episodes that for me had the wow factor, on one hand.
Nothing against Matt Smith, as he only does what he is told to and apart from that, I think he makes an excellent Doctor. But I do think that if RTD were still in control, or better yet, Gatiss then Doctor Who would be back being enjoyed by everyone, be they young, old, fans or casual viewers.
Yes I know people can quote me viewing figures that state, just as many people are watching it now, but I just don't believe it. For the simple reason is, Doctor Who is not the 'must see' programme it once was.
Too many people I know personally, will watch if it's on, but are not bothered either way. Whereas when the story's appealed to a wider audience, most if not all of those same said people would purposely stay in to watch.
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:01
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Why is it, when someone states Doctor Who is getting too childish. You always get that ^^ in response.
It's a tired come back that has been said countless times, and it doesn't hold any more truth now, than it did the first time it was said.
RTD, for the most part wrote Doctor Who so that everyone could enjoy it. Moffat on the other hand, only seems to write what he thinks is enjoyable. That's the difference.
From the episodes he has wrote, from when he took over, I can count the number of episodes that for me had the wow factor, on one hand.
Nothing against Matt Smith, as he only does what he is told to and apart from that, I think he makes an excellent Doctor. But I do think that if RTD were still in control, or better yet, Gatiss then Doctor Who would be back being enjoyed by everyone, be they young, old, fans or casual viewers.
Yes I know people can quote me viewing figures that state, just as many people are watching it now, but I just don't believe it. For the simple reason is, Doctor Who is not the 'must see' programme it once was.
Too many people I know personally, will watch if it's on, but are not bothered either way. Whereas when the story's appealed to a wider audience, most if not all of those same said people would purposely stay in to watch.
You're seriously ignoring the factual evidence of ratings and AI figures, taken from a sample of 5,000 people but instead going with "Too many people I know personally, will watch if it's on, but are not bothered either way." Right... OK then
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:05
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I'd like to know how these people find out that a story 'appeals to a wider audience' before even watching it and thus know when to stay in and when to just watch it because its on...
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:08
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From posts on this forum, the reason a fair few didn't watch live on Saturday was cos they were out buying BBQs
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