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Old 21-04-2013, 23:45
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why didn't it do that in the "Parting of Ways" instead of rose having to rip the console apart in order to talk to it via its heart, which then caused the energy to nearly kill rose if the doctor hadn't taken it out of her and killed himself?
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:46
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Also, if the TARDIS can just create a hologram and talk to the companion, what was the point of 'The Doctor's Wife'? She might aswell just create a hologram everytime to communicate with the Doctor. Or did I get this bit of the episode wrong? :l
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:48
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Erm, I think it's called character development, and it applies even to the TARDIS!
If the TARDIS was never allowed to be seen doing something that it had never done before, its (her) role in the programme would never change or develop.
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:51
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I think the hologram is more like the Microsoft paper clip. It can offer suggestions but there is no real time intelligence attached.

As for the Parting of the Ways - the doctor had sent the TARDIS away and given it instructions to power down. Rose had to reverse that and she needed the Time Vortex to destroy the Daleks just getting the Doctor out wasn't going to solve anything.

Also nothing to say he hasn't upgraded the system to add a few new features.
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:57
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^^ this. I was going to suggest that the voice interface is the TARDIS' version of F1, in Let's Kill Hitler it gave the Doctor information about his health and how long he had to live, and in Hide it explained to Clara why it would not t/could not travel to the pocket universe to save the Doctor
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:58
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Still seems a little plot-holey to me when we have to try and explain things away ourselves. Yes, there should be mysteries. But when something just comes across as plain out-of-the-ordinary for the show, it needs to be explained, otherwise we just think it's the writers not really writing the episodes properly.

I still wish we had some form of explanation as to why the TARDIS interior has changed. I'd like to think we'll get one when River inevitably returns but if she's meeting him out of order (from her point of view) then for her this might not be the first time she's seen the new interior.
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:58
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here's how i think of it. It's like there Is a ghost living in the time travel machine. Together-ghost(Or AI or whatever you might want to call it) and machine make up what we known as the tardis. It's always had a little bIt of influence over where it lands etc. I think since the doctors wife it has been able to control a little more of its 'Machinery' than it used to.
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Old 21-04-2013, 23:58
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I think there's a difference between the TARDIS being sent away and not going back and the TARDIS being left behind and then going to the rescue. Sort of like what a well trained dog would do.
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Old 22-04-2013, 00:10
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I don't think the TARDIS should be able to take off and go to the Doctor. It happened in the Wedding of Sarah Jane but I think it made a bit more sense there, but it was still strange.
I think it is a terrible idea to add as it removes a lot of challenger. Even Cold War is now obsolete if this is the case cause why couldn't the TARDIS come to rescue the Doctor again there?

Next thing you know, the Doctor will have a Stattenheim remote control!
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Old 22-04-2013, 00:34
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Still seems a little plot-holey to me when we have to try and explain things away ourselves. Yes, there should be mysteries. But when something just comes across as plain out-of-the-ordinary for the show, it needs to be explained, otherwise we just think it's the writers not really writing the episodes properly.

I still wish we had some form of explanation as to why the TARDIS interior has changed. I'd like to think we'll get one when River inevitably returns but if she's meeting him out of order (from her point of view) then for her this might not be the first time she's seen the new interior.
It wasn't explained all the time in the classic series, I hardly ask why my friends and family change their wallpaper etc, I simply comment on it and assume they were bored of the old one.
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Old 22-04-2013, 00:41
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I still wish we had some form of explanation as to why the TARDIS interior has changed.

It wasn't explained all the time in the classic series, I hardly ask why my friends and family change their wallpaper etc, I simply comment on it and assume they were bored of the old one.
The Eleventh Doctor had the same Tardis interior for 300 years. Surely anyone would want a bit of a change after that length of time!
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Old 22-04-2013, 00:55
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It's called a writer not giving a toss about the show they're writing for.
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Old 22-04-2013, 01:05
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But we didn't see how the TARDIS started moving. Perhaps Clara started it, but as we already know he gives little lessons to his travelling partners, and he specifically told her not to touch anything (implying she may have already been shown stuff), why would we necessarily need to see it? Are we not capable of remembering things like that, and coming up (subconsciously mostly) with adequate explanations that needn't be spoonfed to us?

Must we equate the lack of 'over-detailed exposition' to 'lazy writing' every time? Sometimes we just don't need to see it.
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Old 22-04-2013, 01:08
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I suspect that's what it did at the pivotal moment in the Time War.With the mental bond between pilot and TARDIS having been unbroken for around 900 years, it would be pretty strong.

She couldn't allow the Doctor to die. She materialised around him at the crucial moment The Moment was triggered, dematerialised and through sheer force of will, broke the time lock, almost destroying herself in the process.

I'm sure I read that somewhere a long time ago, or is it my supposition?

If I am wrong and it is the latter, then at least it sounds good, eh?
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Old 22-04-2013, 03:10
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I suspect that's what it did at the pivotal moment in the Time War.With the mental bond between pilot and TARDIS having been unbroken for around 900 years, it would be pretty strong.

She couldn't allow the Doctor to die. She materialised around him at the crucial moment The Moment was triggered, dematerialised and through sheer force of will, broke the time lock, almost destroying herself in the process.

I'm sure I read that somewhere a long time ago, or is it my supposition?

If I am wrong and it is the latter, then at least it sounds good, eh?
The TARDIS does sense the Doctor's danger in 'Hide' because the cloister bell goes off.
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Old 22-04-2013, 03:23
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I have to admit this was one problem I had with the episode. I know this is sci-fi, more so Doctor Who, and so anything can happen... I just don't like it when we're left to presume something is now possible when it wasn't before, and it goes against old plotlines just to serve this one. A minor thing can be excused, but this was a fairly big development by comparison that didn't even offer up a lame-but-acceptable explanation like the end of Cold War did at its end when explaining the TARDIS dematerialising.

Just as how Rory's dad could have been an effective character, he was instead shoehorned in when it served the plot. Now, we have the TARDIS doing all of this to serve the plot. Whilst many bemoaned the "love story" slant at the end, this was a bigger problem for me... unless it's leading to something bigger in the series (and I'll reserve final judgement until the finale) these little contradictions are a little bit annoying.

I wouldn't call this a case of lazy writing, rather than careless writing...there used to be someone bothered when the show was dicing on the edge of a contradiction. This series has seen a number of elements both big and small contradicting previous stories in a way that previous series managed always work around satisfactorily (including Moffat's own previous series)...courage with the convictions of continuity.
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Old 22-04-2013, 07:30
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Maybe the TARDIS is just being a bit more pro-active these days, and the Cloister bell was already ringing. Then again last week the Doctor said he'd been tinkering around (hence the HADS working again) so who knows what else he's been up to now since The Doctor's Wife? He's had plenty of time on his own to do anything he wanted to.
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Old 22-04-2013, 10:25
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I think the hologram is more like the Microsoft paper clip. It can offer suggestions but there is no real time intelligence attached.
THIS!
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Old 22-04-2013, 10:36
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Yes, it's just a holographic version of a monitor. The hologram itself was just a user interface, it's not quite the same as the 'soul' of the TARDIS that we saw in the Doctor's Wife. Clara made a straightforward query, the TARDIS answered it.

I agree though, it's the sort of thing that raises questions about why it doesn't happen more often. In a way, I'd have liked the TARDIS to just be a silent monolith while Clara pleaded with it to let her in and execute her plan, but then we wouldn't have got the confirmation that the TARDIS doesn't think much of her.
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Old 22-04-2013, 11:02
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It's called a writer not giving a toss about the show they're writing for.
I wouldn't put it quite like that, I'd say it's the writer making it up as he/she goes along, but that's a fine old Who tradition that's been the case for 50 years.
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Old 22-04-2013, 11:33
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it's not asif the tardis just took off to rescue him, it refused to do so right up until the moment the doorway was opened again , and it didn't even land in the pocket universe, it just flew in and out and the doctor hitched a ride
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Old 22-04-2013, 12:29
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I'm not sure you should be able to grab hold of the outside of the tardis and survive the time vortex either. But if the tardis is flying itself nowadays that is just as ridiculous so I don't suppose it really matters
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Old 22-04-2013, 13:10
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If the TARDIS was flying itself, why did Clara need to be inside it? She successfully talked the TARDIS into rescuing the Doctro - if it was capable of flying to the rescue, it could have done that without her. She wasn't even needed to open the door.

And if the TARDIS seriously doesn't like her, what better way to get one-up on Clara than by rescuing the Doctor without Clara?

As I suggested earlier, we didn't see how the TARDIS started moving. Most likely Clara started it. But as we already know he gives little lessons to his travelling partners, and he specifically told her not to touch anything (implying she may have already been shown stuff), why would we necessarily need to see it?
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Old 22-04-2013, 13:20
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I hate to be the one to say this,but another bizarre addition to the Whoniverse in 2010 fits with this. The TARDIS engines turn off when no one is inside. Maybe in his case the TARDIS has no choice and can only fly anywhere with someone inside.

Although I do think this is careless writing and I hope the self flying TARDIS does not reoccur.
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Old 22-04-2013, 13:36
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Lol it was a hell of a long 2 minutes before the universe clapsed
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