Originally Posted by
edy10:
“They want to make it seem like they are at an equal footing
and I dont care what they say but imho Z is a far better dancer than Kellie. Just on performance alone, Z beats Kellie miles ahead on that. Now on flexibility Kellie is way ahead of Z. I still want Kellie to dance (a lot ) out of hold like Z is doing, when she does and keep up with Derek at the same time then her fans can talk...
I honestly think that Kellie wouldn't have fared well if she was partnered with another pro and that's why Derek is arguably the best choreographer in this show : he knows how to make his celebrity good and hide their flaws.”
I feel the same way. I think Zendaya is a better actual dancer & performer. She can match Val out of hold and be in perfect timing with him. In hold she is very elegant as well.
The real issue is that I've been watching DWTS long enough to know and see when a pro is hiding the celebs weakness. For Derek when his partner is not a natural mover i.e. Ricki Lake...Maria M. he keeps them in hold ALOT. Or he dances around them. I know all the tricks so I'm not really fooled but someone who doesn't watch every season might not realize this. Also he incoporates alot of staccato...cheerleader like moves as filler instead of actual dancing. For example:
1. Cha Cha - Alot of stationary dancing where her feet weren't moving or Derek would lead her to a certain spot...they'd stop...do a move etc.
2. Jazz - Again many lifts and stationary "dancing" which was similar to cheerleader arm movements. He carried her from position to position to demonstrate her flexibility but she didn't really move around the floor on her own.
3. Jive - a lot of fluff in the beginning while Derek is running around. When they actually get into the Jive...Derek danced around her quite a bit and when she did dance next to Derek she didn't have good timing with him. There were some mistakes in that routine.
4. Rumba - again she doesn't dance on her own in that routine. Derek "places" her into position to hit a flexible pose or move. Her solo was her rolling around on the floor so she didn't move around on her own for that portion either.
5. Foxtrot - Great performance majority in hold. If I remember correctly she was not in hold when they tossed the hat...so she wasn't moving or dancing. They weren't in hold when she did the penquin walk next to each other...but is that a dance step?
6. Quickstep - all in hold so no problems there as Derek guided her the entire way through.
7. Samba - Alot of "placing" her where she needed to be. He rarely let go of her. But she was actually doing some non-cheerleader moves so it looked good.
8. V. Waltz - in hold so same as above.
9. Paso - If you re-watch the performace she is basically being flung between Derek & Tristan...not a lot of actual dancing around the floor..look at how much she is actually moving about the floor (not alot).
So for me when I think of Kellie's Jive for example vs. Zendaya's or compare their Paso Dobles, Cha Cha's, Samba's etc. their is NO comparision as to who is actually dancing: which to me...also means moving around the floor, dancing with your partner, matching your partner and also selling the piece like you are having fun. For me Zenday is better dancer for these reasons.
Also as far as the ballroom dances...I think Kellie has some beautiful lines and I think she does much better at the ballroom dances vs latin. However, performance wise I still better connect with Z. Z's V. Waltz was so light and lovely. And her foxtrot was so cute and fun. Again much more connected to her performance. Ok I'll stop rambling now.