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Old 25-04-2013, 07:58
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O2 are aiming to have 98% of the population covered by 4G LTE by 2015 which would put them 2 years ahead of Ofcoms 2017 deadline. This is very ambitious especially for O2. They dont have a lot of 4G spectrum (just 800MHz) so unless they do a lot of refarming of existing frequencies congestion could be an issue. Ofcoms consultation on refarming other frequencies for 4G is due to draw to a conclusion in the not too distant future.


And we're going to have great 4G coverage - we are aiming for 98% of the population to have 4G by 2015.
http://www.o2.co.uk/4g
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Old 25-04-2013, 09:24
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It's only 8 years since o2 stated their aim of having class leading 3g coverage and they are still trailing everyone else....
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Old 25-04-2013, 09:26
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Cornerstone are managing the Vodafone/O2 network share so that sounds about right as a date
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Old 25-04-2013, 19:35
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Yeah it is quite achievable... the Ofcom target is actually "98 per cent indoor reception nationwide by the end of 2017" not just 98% population.

This is likely to result in coverage of at least 99% of the UK population when outdoors..... Although by 2017 i'd say all of the networks will have 99% outdoor coverage.
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Old 25-04-2013, 19:54
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It's only 8 years since o2 stated their aim of having class leading 3g coverage and they are still trailing everyone else....
O2 started its 3G service 10 years ago. I find it ironic that they plan to do in 2 years what the spectacularly have failed do do in 10 years!

You do have to wonder
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:06
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Yeah it is quite achievable... the Ofcom target is actually "98 per cent indoor reception nationwide by the end of 2017" not just 98% population.

This is likely to result in coverage of at least 99% of the UK population when outdoors..... Although by 2017 i'd say all of the networks will have 99% outdoor coverage.
Yeah Vodafone and EE have both said something similar to that. Not heard anything from Three about that though.

O2 started its 3G service 10 years ago. I find it ironic that they plan to do in 2 years what the spectacularly have failed do do in 10 years!

You do have to wonder
It will be hard for them to do specially if they do what they did with there 3G network but perhaps it's achievable for them. We will likely be able make a good guess if they going achieve by 2015 this time next year.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:28
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O2 started its 3G service 10 years ago. I find it ironic that they plan to do in 2 years what the spectacularly have failed do do in 10 years!

You do have to wonder
Get a life and move on from the nonsensical O2 bashing agenda.

FACT: O2 have made customer gains and have been the network who satisfy most customers in the UK despite (or perhaps as a result of) their 3G strategy.

Networks have to change strategy and O2 can only be judged on their 4G rollout once they have implemented it. Their 4G performance cannot be measured against their 3G rollout until they have had a chance to implement what they have stated.

The O2 haters who include the OP will continue to spout the same rubbish to discredit the company but the figures clearly prove that O2 have been more successful in attracting and keeping customers than the likes of EE who have been losing lots of customers (750,000 in the last year) despite their 4G head start.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:32
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Get a life and move on from the nonsensical O2 bashing agenda.

FACT: O2 have made customer gains and have been the network who satisfy most customers in the UK despite (or perhaps as a result of) their 3G strategy.

Networks have to change strategy and O2 can only be judged on their 4G rollout once they have implemented it. Their 4G performance cannot be measured against their 3G rollout until they have had a chance to implement what they have stated.

The O2 haters who include the OP will continue to spout the same rubbish to discredit the company but the figures clearly prove that O2 have been more successful in attracting and keeping customers than the likes of EE who have been losing lots of customers (750,000 in the last year) despite their 4G head start.
Three have been more successful in attracting customers than O2. So I can only assume they have a better strategy than O2.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:33
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Three have been more successful in attracting customers than O2. So I can only assume they have a better strategy than O2.
What has 3 got to do with O2's population coverage with LTE?

Duh?

An attempt to divert attention from the original topic?

Pathetic.......
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:40
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What has 3 got to do with O2's population coverage with LTE?

Duh?

An attempt to divert attention from the original topic?

Pathetic.......
Quite a lot really since they both are going to be rolling out 4G networks.

I could equally say what has you bringing up EE losing customers got to do with O2's 4G LTE coverage but I took it on board and responded without resorting to throwing insults.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:41
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What has 3 got to do with O2's population coverage with LTE?

Duh?

An attempt to divert attention from the original topic?

Pathetic.......
No you are completely and utterly right with there 20MHz they should be able to certainly provide good coverage across the UK, but they won't be able to give the same, speeds as say Vodafone or EE or even Three. But it will be interesting to see if they can rollout a good network as they certainly don't have a good record of doing that. O2 are certainly not the network I would recommend at this point to renewing there contract with if they want fast and reliable 4G in the future.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:44
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Quite a lot really since they both are going to be rolling out 4G networks.

I could equally say what has you bringing up EE losing customers got to do with O2's 4G LTE coverage but I took it on board and responded without resorting to throwing insults.
Ignoring the personalised nonsense and accept that there seems to be an agenda with criticism of someone's favoured network.....

3 won't be rolling out 4G technology at anything like the rate of EE, O2 or Vodafone, they have stated that clearly already. 3 are technology neutral and will work with 3G for as much as they can until demand insists on LTE by the looks of it.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:47
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Ignoring the personalised nonsense and accept that there seems to be an agenda with criticism of someone's favoured network.....

3 won't be rolling out 4g at anything like the rate of O2 or Vodafone, they have stated that clearly already. 3 are technology neutral and will work with 3G for as much as they can until demand insists on LTE by the looks of it.
Where have they said they aren't rolling out 4G fast not seen anything about that. The only reason they are waiting till Q4 is they won't get the first 20MHz of 1800MHz till September which is already Late Q3. Honestly I don't think they ever planned to in the first place as they didn't think they were going get any spectrum at the auction. Three is the network for Internet and speed [They promote that massive] so to suggest them not wanting do a fast roll out seems odd. Three are probably considering what to do with 800MHz at moment if to use or to trade it.
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Old 25-04-2013, 20:53
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Ignoring the personalised nonsense and accept that there seems to be an agenda with criticism of someone's favoured network.....

3 won't be rolling out 4G technology at anything like the rate of EE, O2 or Vodafone, they have stated that clearly already. 3 are technology neutral and will work with 3G for as much as they can until demand insists on LTE by the looks of it.

No, they just start the rollout at the back end of the year when they get the 1800Mhz and can start using that spectrum alongside the 800Mhz. There's no point in launching with one and then changing, just launch with what's right.

They won't be the first to switch on, but it isn't correct to say that they are going to stick with 3G and not roll out 4G as quick as the others once they begin.
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:09
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Where have they said they aren't rolling out 4G fast not seen anything about that. The only reason they are waiting till Q4 is they won't get the first 20MHz of 1800MHz till September which is already Late Q3. Honestly I don't think they ever planned to in the first place as they didn't think they were going get any spectrum at the auction. Three is the network for Internet and speed [They promote that massive] so to suggest them not wanting do a fast roll out seems odd. Three are probably considering what to do with 800MHz at moment if to use or to trade it.
No they are treating LTE as an extension of 3G.

They will use LTE as a solution to provide capacity for data which they have been sucessful selling so far.

They have no coverage commitment so will deploy the 4G technology as required when demand existis from area to area. (Just like O2 did with 3G and have reaped rewards).
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:16
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No they are treating LTE as an extension of 3G.

They will use LTE as a solution to provide capacity for data which they have been successful selling so far.

They have no coverage commitment so will deploy the 4G technology as required when demand existis from area to area. (Just like O2 did with 3G and have reaped rewards).
I haven't heard that anywhere and there main site is saying something completely different. Ultrafast [Is there slogan for High end 3G and 4G] is what they are calling it. I don't doubt it will be used to provide capacity but how that means they going have a slow roll out only you know that one. Vodafone and EE don't have coverage obligation but doesn't mean they are having slow roll outs either so coming out with that's crap to begin with. "No they are treating LTE as an extension of 3G." Well then they would be right then because that is what LTE is still 3G technology 4G is LTE-Advanced.
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:18
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No they are treating LTE as an extension of 3G.

They will use LTE as a solution to provide capacity for data which they have been sucessful selling so far.

They have no coverage commitment so will deploy the 4G technology as required when demand existis from area to area. (Just like O2 did with 3G and have reaped rewards).
They grew to 98% 3G when the coverage obligation was only 80, they have rolled out more DCHSPA that any other network, it is now across 100% of their network. Three don't have a problem investing and rolling out new technology unlike some.
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:23
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They grew to 98% 3G when the coverage obligation was only 80, they have rolled out more DCHSPA that any other network, it is now across 100% of their network. Three don't have a problem investing and rolling out new technology unlike some.
Not sure it's yet 100% across all of there network but it's across a massive part of there network for sure quite a few masts need upgrading still.

"80% of the UK population now has access to our Ultrafast network" [Meaning DC-HSDPA]

That is on there main site they have provided the second highest 3G technology [LTE being Highest]. Across a massive amount of the UK I don't think there is any other network which has as good a coverage of DC-HSDPA, O2 and Vodafone struggle to get a 3G signal in most places still and then you might not be getting DC-HSDPA. So for them not to invest massively in 4G when they have paid a lot less than other networks for there 4G spectrum is quite funny they want to make themselves a massive contender for the best network in UK.
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:51
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O2 and Vodafone struggle to get a 3G signal in most places still and then you might not be getting DC-HSDPA.
That is totally false..... they have 42 million customers combined and another 4 million who use their networks though MVNOs. Where are all the smartphone users who have little or no 3G coverage on these networks moaning about the fact on here or anywhere else? How are these companies managing to retain customers let alone gain them if the have coverage that involves people struggling to use the equipment they are paying premium prices for?

In the real world Vodafone and O2 are satisfying millions of people every day where it matters.

I doubt they would remain sucsessful UK operators if they did not deliver what customers want and I have no doubt they are keen to comepte to maintain and increase their market share. The only way they can do that is to satisfy customers and both have a record of being able to do that better than others.
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Old 25-04-2013, 21:57
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That is totally false..... they have 42 million customers combined and another 4 million who use their networks though MVNOs. Where are all the smartphone users who have little or no 3G coverage on these networks moaning about the fact on here or anywhere else? How are these companies managing to retain customers let alone gain them if the have coverage that involves people struggling to use the equipment they are paying premium prices for?

In the real world Vodafone and O2 are satisfying millions of people every day where it matters.

I doubt they would remain sucsessful UK operators if they did not deliver what customers want and I have no doubt they are keen to comepte to maintain and increase their market share. The only way they can do that is to satisfy customers and both have a record of being able to do that better than others.
I know a lot of people who have left O2 and Vodafone and moved to EE or Three because they got no 3G signal. It's a well known thing that O2 and Vodafone have solid 2G signal but unless you in a major city you won't get good 3G signal and specially not at speeds like you get on EE or Three. Honestly I'm not sure how they keep there customers so don't ask me that maybe because they old networks and some people just stay on the same network. Even the solid 2G isn't that big a selling point for them now as Three's 3G signal is probably as wide a coverage as there 2G these days.
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Old 25-04-2013, 22:06
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I know a lot of people have left O2 and Vodafone and moved to EE or Three because they got no 3G signal. It's a well known thing that O2 and Vodafone have solid 2G signal but unless you in a major city you won't get good 3G signal and specially not at speeds like you get on EE or Three. Honestly I'm not sure how they keep there customers so don't ask me that maybe because they old networks and some people just stay on the same network.
O2 have less of a 3G footprint than others but they have good coverage and speed where most folks live. Vodafone have better geographic 3G coverage and have always been at the forefront of 3G development. O2 have been first to extend 3G to 900Mhz and have been rolling out improvements for the last couple of years.

The proof of the pudding is the customer feedback. O2 customers are the most satisfied in the UK according to Ofcom and if their 3G was that poor they could not sustain that and grow their susbscriber base when the smartphone is the communications device that matters and needs 3G to make it worthwhile.

Sadly there are lots of myths and lots of single agenda people posting disinformation on forums like this. The customer feedback from genuine users does not correspond to their agendas as any investigation of thread topics confirm.
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Old 25-04-2013, 22:14
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I know a lot of people who have left O2 and Vodafone and moved to EE or Three because they got no 3G signal. It's a well known thing that O2 and Vodafone have solid 2G signal but unless you in a major city you won't get good 3G signal and specially not at speeds like you get on EE or Three. Honestly I'm not sure how they keep there customers so don't ask me that maybe because they old networks and some people just stay on the same network. Even the solid 2G isn't that big a selling point for them now as Three's 3G signal is probably as wide a coverage as there 2G these days.
I would dispute that. There is no way the MBNL coverage is anywhere near as good as O2 2G. Currently O2 2G is probably the most widespread coverage of any network. O2 have been clever in that without spending billions on 3G upgrades, they have managed to attract a massive user base of people who mostly just want to make calls. There are millions of people who don't want the internet and email following them around. I know, I have a lot of customers like that. Nearly every non techie tradesman I know (builder, painter, electrician, plumber etc..) has a basic O2 handset and it does everything they want. They can also use their phone where my iPhone won't work. Sometimes in places that even surprise me.

I'm waiting for Three to rollout with interest. Why? Well it's been discussed on here before. Three have a 3G only network (CDMA, cell breathing etc. etc...). In rural areas (like down here) there are many holes in coverage, particularly indoors.
When they roll out 1800Mhz LTE there's going to be a problem. In those holes, users are going to perhaps have a 1-2 bar perfectly usable 20meg LTE connection BUT, there will be no voice fall-back available.
I'm going to say that if Three don't launch with VoLTE, I'll eat my hat. I'll have to buy a hat first, then I'll eat it

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Old 25-04-2013, 22:14
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O2 have less of a 3G footprint than others but they have good coverage and speed where most folks live. Vodafone have better geographic 3G coverage and have always been at the forefront of 3G development. O2 have been first to extend 3G to 900Mhz and have been rolling out improvements for the last couple of years.

The proof of the pudding is the customer feedback. O2 customers are the most satisfied in the UK according to Ofcom and if their 3G was that poor they could not sustain that and grow their susbscriber base when the smartphone is the communications device that matters and needs 3G to make it worthwhile.

Sadly there are lots of myths and lots of single agenda people posting disinformation on forums like this. The customer feedback from genuine users does not correspond to their agendas as any investigation of thread topics confirm.
Well it certainly doesn't seem that way with my friends I think only one is actually with O2/Vodafone any more and they are changing networks when there contract ends. Honestly like I said some people don't care about good 3G signal and speeds that is how O2 survives. But people who actually want a reliable 3G connection are not with O2 or Vodafone. Three is actually at the forefront of 3G development [If we counting LTE as 4G] .They have the best version of DC-HSDPA and extremely wide spread where as Vodafone use a variant which doesn't produce as good speeds and O2 has an extremely small amount of DC-HSDPA..

I would dispute that. There is no way the MBNL coverage is anywhere near as good as O2 2G. Currently O2 2G is probably the most widespread coverage of any network. O2 have been clever in that without spending billions on 3G upgrades, they have managed to attract a massive user base of people who mostly just want to make calls. There are millions of people who don't want the internet and email following them around. I know, I have a lot of customers like that. Nearly every non techie tradesman I know (builder, painter, electrician, plumber etc..) has a basic O2 handset and it does everything they want. They can also use their phone where my iPhone won't work. Sometimes in places that even surprise me.

I'm waiting for Three to rollout with interest. Why? Well it's been discussed on here before. Three have a 3G only network (CDMA, cell breathing etc. etc...). In rural areas (like down here) there are many holes in coverage, particularly indoors.
When they roll out 1800Mhz LTE there's going to be a problem. In those holes, users are going to perhaps have a 1-2 bar perfectly usable 20meg LTE connection BUT, there will be no voice fall-back available.
I'm going to say that if Three don't launch with VoLTE, I'll eat my hat. I'll have to buy a hat first, then I'll eat it

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I've not had a single problem on Three at all recently perhaps in some rarely remote places O2 is better but most of the time Three is certainly going to be better for most people. But I completely agree with you about the fact Three will need to launch VoLTE. But you probably correct why O2 have such a big customer basis it's because a lot people care nothing about internet on phones but that is becoming less and less.
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Old 25-04-2013, 22:18
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O2 have less of a 3G footprint than others but they have good coverage and speed where most folks live. Vodafone have better geographic 3G coverage and have always been at the forefront of 3G development. O2 have been first to extend 3G to 900Mhz and have been rolling out improvements for the last couple of years.

The proof of the pudding is the customer feedback. O2 customers are the most satisfied in the UK according to Ofcom and if their 3G was that poor they could not sustain that and grow their susbscriber base when the smartphone is the communications device that matters and needs 3G to make it worthwhile.

Sadly there are lots of myths and lots of single agenda people posting disinformation on forums like this. The customer feedback from genuine users does not correspond to their agendas as any investigation of thread topics confirm.
Agreed. We are a bunch of phone geeks on here and can't understand how "normal" people could possibly survive without Email, t'internet, Twitter and Bookface about their person 24/7 (or 31 if you watch Two and a half men).
Truth is millions and millions just want a phone and do some texts and they are very very happy with that.
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Old 25-04-2013, 22:20
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Well it certainly doesn't seem that way with my friends I think only one is actually with O2/Vodafone any more and they are changing networks when there contract ends. Honestly like I said some people don't care about good 3G signal and speeds that is how O2 survives. But people who actually want a reliable 3G connection are not with O2 or Vodafone. Three is actually at the forefront of 3G development [If we counting LTE as 4G] .They have the best version of DC-HSDPA and extremely wide spread where as Vodafone use a variant which doesn't produce as good speeds and O2 has an extremely small amount of DC-HSDPA..
Yes but believe it or not, we are still living in an age where there are more people who care about making calls than going on the internet. This will clearly change but it's the way it is now.
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