But what about personal attacks on people who are expressing a positive opinion? As also happens frequently... Why is that people pick up on attacks on "dissenters" but attacks on others goes unnoticed and unchallenged?

I have some sympathy with this view, not because I agree with it, (I don't), but because I felt exactly the same about series 5. And still do. And series 6 wasn't much better.

And I'm not the only one. There was a long thread on here about how series 5 had something missing for many of us, but we couldn't decide what it was. Sometimes it's hard to pinpoint exactly what you think is wrong.

All the excitement and fun had disappeared. (It wasn't because of the Tennant/Smith changeover; most of us thought Matt was great).

My point is that fans want to love every minute of DW and can feel quite sad when they don't. But it really is just a matter of taste. Nobody can like every single episode/series/Doctor/companion. Especially in a show like DW which changes by the week! Eventually there will be some episodes you think are wonderful. (Which is how I feel about series 7). Or there won't be, and you'll stop watching.

(Although there seem to be some people who hate everything about DW and still watch - the mentality of whom i can never fathom).

But while it's sad that individual fans don't like certain things, it's a mistake to extrapolate from that that it is the show itself that has suddenly become worse than it was before. It's not, it's just not to your taste. Like salad's cider.

(I still can't understan how anyone can like series 5 & 6; or dislike series 2! But I have to accept that they do. Weird).

Can you give me some examples, disco? I haven't actually seen many, if any, but it doesn't mean there aren't.

Let's keep the discussion friendly and cut out the bickering, hey?

I've been in many similar threads before and as WelshNige points out they tend to become antagonistic. If you have a strong statement from one point of view then you tend to get an equally strong reaction and so the thread descends.

I agree that sometimes this can lead to personal attacks but I see it happening on both sides. Posters get called Moffat lovers, or die hard Whovian's. I saw a post once that claimed that all Who fans are easy to please and so have less valid judgements. I frequently see posts saying that people are only defending the show because they can't bear to see it attacked and they are too scared to admit the truth. I even saw one thread where some invented some lies about Moffat in order to defend their view.

I like a debate as much as the next person, otherwise I wouldn't join a forum. I certainly don't expect everyone to have the same views as me and especially with such a diverse program as Doctor Who, that changes every week, you will never find two people that like the same episodes. People don't even have to say why they do or don't like something (although I think it promotes a more interesting discussion if they do) but I do think that respect of peoples views and opinions should be mutual and if someone has something positive to say about a show then they're not just defending it out of blind loyalty or because they have poor judgement or are lacking in taste but maybe, just maybe because they are actually enjoying it

I think WelshNige is right as well though when he says that the best thing to do is just to stay out of these threads and I actually tried to do that because I got a little bored of having the same arguments over and over again but I only managed to get as far as page 3 before getting sucked back in

Did you ever like the scrumpy? Was it ever to you taste or have you always hated it?

Se iff you did once love it with a passion and they completely changed the recipe till it was bland and flavourless and just not very enjoyable or fulfilling youd be pretty narked off!

But maybe youd just buy one every now and then to see wether theyd had the sense to change the recipe back.

Like all the series of Doctor Who since it's return this series has highs and lows. However I believe the first 3 series had lower lows than series 4 onward.

But that's the beauty of (or trouble with?) Doctor Who. One week it can be scrumpy, then next week it can strongbow, another week it can be magners and then following week it might be back to being scrumpy again.

Yes i did, it was a vast improvement. But as ive stated, im here to discuss, not the decine in the series but the attitudes and disrespect shown towards posters with a negative opinion

For me my least favourite series was S5, then S3, followed by S6, S1, S4 and finally S2. I enjoyed 7.1, 7.3 - 7.7, 7.9 & 7.10 but agree that this series has been poor recently.

Since the second half of Series 6, the best episodes for me have been written by Moffat himself. The Bells Of St John was a superb episode, the following story was undoubtedly for me the worst Doctor Who story EVER. The Ice Warrior episode was a massive improvement but lacked punch and last week's was for me dull and weird combined.

As I did in my threads last year, I'm gonna be the minority and stick up for Series 2. I enjoyed the Tenth Doctor and Rose pairing, it had fun, it had energy, it was exciting and above all enjoyable, all those things are absent for me in this current series so far barring the first episode.

On a positive note, though, the Rings Episode aside, it's still better than Series 5!

Once again, can we stick to the discussion please. If you think someone is breaching our forum rules, ignore and alert.

Nevermind.

'Although the victors write the books, the loser speaks the lines'
One of Those Days in England- Roy Harper

To Mods- on topic honest, it also has the line ' Timelords of the slowly revolution' which is all about series 7z being carp or brilliant
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My favourite series was 4 (a firm 9/10 overall for the series; the only episode I didn't love was The Doctor's Daughter)

Then I would rank...1, 7 (so far), 6, 5, 2, 3

3 was just dire for me...I only enjoyed Blink because it really was in a different league, one of New Who's best!

Favourite overall episode from each series: Dalek, The Rise of the Cybermen, Blink, Turn Left, The Waters Of Mars, The Time Of Angels, The God Complex, Asylum Of The Daleks

Worst overall episode from each series: Boom Town, Love & Monsters, The Lazarus Experiment, The Doctor's Daughter, Amy's Choice, The Girl Who Waited, The Rings Of Akhaten

The loss of doctor who confidential has also contributed heavily to the lack of love I have for the current season.I really miss the behind the scenes stuff.you sort of felt you got to know the real people who played Amy and Rory. jlc is just a blank page to me still see her as the vicars niece in emmerdale.

I personally absolutely adore series 7.

Asylum - Genuinely my favourite episode of Doctor Who ever. The shock of seeing Oswin, her give and go with the Doctor, her ultimate and stunning demise, that whole storyline thrilled me. Plus, Amy and Rory were awesome as ever and the daleks are in it! And who doesn't love a good dalek?
Eggs....ter...min...ate. Chilling. 10.

Dinosaurs - I really loved this episode. It may not have been the best episode ever but I loved the feel of it, the give and go between the characters, the light-hearted feel, coupled with the extreme darkness of both Solomon and, then, the Doctor. Plus Rory's dad, go Brian go! 8.

Town - My least favourite episode of the series so far, it only registered a 7 for me but it wasn't too bad and I enjoyed it more on rewatches. I loved the bits with the darker side to the Doctor in this one but for me the blurred morality didn't really work and the two main antagonists didn't really click. 7.

Power - Another episode I really enjoyed. Some really important and ultimately heart-breaking scenes between the three central characters. The Ponds choosing to give up their life at home and travel with the Doctor is genuinely devastating when you know in the next episode he'll lose them forever. For me, the monster plot was almost a sideline and I personally didn't mind the resolution - better than some lovey-dovey stuff we've seen anyway. 8.

Angels - Annoying predictability is this episode's only flaw. Otherwise, it was great to see River again, loved all the timey-wimey stuff and it was an excellent resolution. Dragging the Weeping Angels back to basics worked so well and who can forget that heart-breaking final scene between the Doctor and Amy. People saying it wasn't sad, we weren't supposed to feel sorry for Amy and Rory, they got their happy ending. But, once again, the Doctor was left alone and watching him almost beg Amy not to leave him...touching. 9.

Snowmen - Well well well Clara Oswin Oswald. I've enjoyed all the Claras, with the one from Asylum just shading her here. I loved the bit in the TARDIS and the scene with the umbrella and her gut-wrenching death (why didn't those damn doors shut?) and ultimately, the resolution here let the episode down. Very good sides to the Doctor here, with Pond spurring him back into life after losing Amy and Rory. 8.

Bells - This episode felt a little underwhelming but I don't know why. In truth, it was a very strong episode, Clara got a great introduction and here her relationship with the Doctor is great (snog box ha!). The resolution was classic Doctor, a little darker edge but awesome science, which is the Doctor's strength and should be what this show is about. I think ultimately, the lack of knowledge of the Clara storyline, coupled with the fact it wasn't as spectacular as Asylum, is why I only give it an 8.

Rings - 8/9 Still tempted to bump this up but my initial reaction was that as much as I loved the beginning and the end, it was a bit of a sloppy middle. Matt Smith here steals the show in his final speech as he shows all his years and his disdain for the monster, coupled with the emotion of a man who has seen far too much. But Jenna-Louise Coleman is also on top form and her scenes with young Merry are fantastic, and I love all the exposition for her backstory.

Cold War - A lack of Doctor/Clara action really ruins this ep for me. Great monster, good secondary characters, although the professor seemed literally pointless to me except to chat to Clara. But another ep with an underwhelming resolution and no new developments on the Clara front. 8

Hide - The best ep of 7b. The Doctor and Clara are better than ever together here and their chemistry really fizzles. I loved the ghostyness of it, Clara's falling out with the TARDIS, the monster was suitably spooky and I loved the sci-fi. And, if I'm honest, the resolution stepped it up a notch. 9

So to sum up, if it's not my favourite, it's going to be up there.

It's certainly giving S2 a run for it's money as the worst revived series in my opinion. It may not have S2's lows, but it also doesn't have it's highs either. The best word to decribe S7 for me is 'beige'.

I just want S8 to hurry up already and save me from this constant bombardment of mehness.

Thank you for putting it so well I feel the second half of seven has been , well Meh!!!!

Strange .. I'd say the exact opposite.

I was a bit bored by 7a. Although I liked Amy and Rory in series 6 and 7 I got to a point where I couldn't wait to see the back of them.

I think 7b has been excellent apart from Rings.

I loved series 2.

The only one who can save you from mehness is you. Boredom is a matter of perspective - it's not what you're looking at, it's how you look at it. Surely, if Who has taught you anything, it's that?

sadly I have to agree, it's not up to the standard of previous shows, while it's not a bad show it's not something I eagerly await every week like I used to. the lack of 2 parters is a big part of the problem if you ask me.

I wouldn't wish away series 7 quite so quickly. Who knows how long we will have to wait for series 8

My worst series 'would be some of RTD's era for me. In fact by the time he left I was a very casual viewer. I can't remember series 2 right now, which some posters have mentioned, but I do remember that some of most hated episode were in it. So it and series 3, while having some really good episodes, were probably weakest for me.