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Would evicted John McCririck benefit the show?
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Brekkie
09-01-2005
John McCririck will almost certainly be nominated first - and chances are he will be evicted. The pleas are already out for him to be saved by the public and at the moment he is what Celebrity Big Brother is about - so that's exactly why he should go first.

With the first eviction not till Friday, he'll have had plenty of time in the house. His eviction would then allow viewers to see the real personalities of the other housemates, not just how they relate to John.

We've seen this in the past with dominant characters. Many though BB5 couldn't survive without Kitten, but she was evicted quickly and the focus shifted to other housemates - and the show became alot better.

Contrarily in BB4 the public didn't vote out Jon Tickle - and for the first month the media treated the show as the Jon Tickle show, not doing the show any favours. Unfortunately once Jon was finally evicted it effectively became the Cameron show - but once Jon was out of the picture is allowed us to see alot more of the other housemates.
Juicy Bug
09-01-2005
There was plenty of other drama besides Kitten in the first week though...

Victor had an argument with Emma, and was already plotting. Michelle was already trying to bed Stuart, Nadia's secret was a big story from the start, and Jason, Dan, Marco and Ahmed all made an impression. And they had the bedsit idea up their sleeve.

The problem with Big Brother 4 after Jon and Federico left was not that it became the Cameron show, but that it was a house full of people who, with the exception of Ray, were able to hide, or at least hold back their real feelings about one another.

If John left I fear Germaine would simply become the one they all answer to, without question, and they'd all be very respectful to each other. It may be though that things happen between now and Friday that change my perception.
Snoopdog
09-01-2005
I really hope he doesn't go on Friday - he stirs it all up a bit and adds a completely different dimension, I don't think we have had anyone quite like him in any celeb or otherwise RTV show (thats probably 'cos there is no-one like him!) but its a real interesting mix, and he definitely controls the dynamics.
DillholeMcGinty
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Brekkie Boy:
“John McCririck will almost certainly be nominated first - and chances are he will be evicted. The pleas are already out for him to be saved by the public and at the moment he is what Celebrity Big Brother is about - so that's exactly why he should go first.

With the first eviction not till Friday, he'll have had plenty of time in the house. His eviction would then allow viewers to see the real personalities of the other housemates, not just how they relate to John.

We've seen this in the past with dominant characters. Many though BB5 couldn't survive without Kitten, but she was evicted quickly and the focus shifted to other housemates - and the show became alot better.

Contrarily in BB4 the public didn't vote out Jon Tickle - and for the first month the media treated the show as the Jon Tickle show, not doing the show any favours. Unfortunately once Jon was finally evicted it effectively became the Cameron show - but once Jon was out of the picture is allowed us to see alot more of the other housemates.”

Brekkie boy i have to respectfully disagree with you.

After bb4 became the Cameron show, it was the worst dullest most insipid big brother ever.

Its not the best series to use as an example.

Lets hope John stays in untill hes evicvted as part of the normal schedule, and im pretty sure he will be the first out anyway.

Its going to be an interesting week, if the tensions are goinjg to remain this high all the way to the official eviction.
Mesostim
09-01-2005
Kick him out...if he is "the show" then the show has failed........
tomorrow
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“Kick him out...if he is "the show" then the show has failed........”

Agreed, which is why he shoud stay in.

Do we really want a return to CBB2 ?? Which is what this would revert to were John to leave at this stage.

Sewing task anyone?
Dame Peggy
09-01-2005
John's delightful, he must stay
Mesostim
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by tomorrow:
“Agreed, which is why he shoud stay in.

Do we really want a return to CBB2 ?? Which is what this would revert to were John to leave at this stage.

Sewing task anyone?”

I don't want the first time round of a mysoginist bigot being kept in for no good reason....
Temper Temper
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Juicy Bug:
“If John left I fear Germaine would simply become the one they all answer to, without question, and they'd all be very respectful to each other. It may be though that things happen between now and Friday that change my perception.”

I'm not sure Queen Lisa, self appointed leader of the group, would defer to Germaine and would be mightily peeved if the rest of the HMs did. I suspect she'd conduct a snide campaign behind her back in retaliation for the "stop speechifying" comment Germaine made last night to Lisa when she was trying to extend the nastiness. Germaine seems a very perceptive judge of character and must have got Lisa sussed by now - I think she's too dignified to get into a slanging match with her though. Unfortunately. That's a fight I'd love to see.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.
yahoodlums
09-01-2005
I think Endemol should get him out now, like Kitten he was amusing for an hour or two, but he really is quite a sad revolting man. He should be evicted immediately for not participating in the task.
Kewpee
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“I don't want the first time round of a mysoginist bigot being kept in for no good reason....”


Yes he's an archaic bigotted buffoon, but I haven't seen anyone in the house, or on the forum, agree with anything he has said (not without their tongue firmly in their cheek). For that reason I would say he is pretty harmless.

He is fast becoming even sillier, maybe this experience will teach him something.

He's more to be pitied than blamed, his intransigence stops him from actually enjoying anything. Haven't you noticed how he is contstantly tense? He doesn't speak, he barks, every subject becomes a battle for him, every comment is spat out.

He's a messed up twisted bloke who hangs on to what little of the past he thinks justifies his arguments.

He's interesting to watch, it's interesting to see the others react to him. He'll probably leave on Friday, until then he's entertainment.
Mesostim
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Yes he's an archaic bigotted buffoon, but I haven't seen anyone in the house, or on the forum, agree with anything he has said (not without their tongue firmly in their cheek). For that reason I would say he is pretty harmless.

He is fast becoming even sillier, maybe this experience will teach him something.

He's more to be pitied than blamed, his intransigence stops him from actually enjoying anything. Haven't you noticed how he is contstantly tense? He doesn't speak, he barks, every subject becomes a battle for him, every comment is spat out.

He's a messed up twisted bloke who hangs on to what little of the past he thinks justifies his arguments.

He's interesting to watch, it's interesting to see the others react to him. He'll probably leave on Friday, until then he's entertainment.”

All that but he's not interesting to watch and he's not harmless....
Mesostim
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by yahoodlums:
“I think Endemol should get him out now, like Kitten he was amusing for an hour or two, but he really is quite a sad revolting man. He should be evicted immediately for not participating in the task.”

Spot on.....get rid of him now....
Kewpee
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“All that but he's not interesting to watch and he's not harmless....”

He's causing upset, I find that entertaining in BB.

He's only harmful if you take him seriously.
tomorrow
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“All that but he's not interesting to watch and he's not harmless....”

What has he done in the BB house that would make him harm others?

IMO he is in more danger from them ..... he has been sworn at, the 'girls' have talked about using physical violence (Kenzie included in that) .... they have talked about cutting his hair off whilst he is sleeping (not in jest!) - Lisa in particular keeps making personal comments to and about him (and his wife) in his hearing .... the coca cola jibes are wearing thin now too ...

to which John has not responded.

How do you see him harming the others?
JonDoe
09-01-2005
I don't know why you're finding him so disagreeable at the moment Mes, he hasn't spoken for twenty-four hours.
Candice
09-01-2005
It would benefit me. I can't stand his attitude or his appearance.
Teri
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Temper Temper:
“I'm not sure Queen Lisa, self appointed leader of the group, would defer to Germaine and would be mightily peeved if the rest of the HMs did. I suspect she'd conduct a snide campaign behind her back in retaliation for the "stop speechifying" comment Germaine made last night to Lisa when she was trying to extend the nastiness. Germaine seems a very perceptive judge of character and must have got Lisa sussed by now - I think she's too dignified to get into a slanging match with her though. Unfortunately. That's a fight I'd love to see.

Then again, I could be completely wrong. ”

That is certainly a head to head that I would find very interesting.
Trashcan
09-01-2005
I've had a good think about this and the only benifit I can see in his early eviction would be his appearance on BBlb.
Mesostim
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“I don't know why you're finding him so disagreeable at the moment Mes, he hasn't spoken for twenty-four hours.”

The fact he's still in there is disagreeable....

....Hold on...if he hasn;t said anything does that mean that he;s stopped being "interesting" and should go anyway....I believe that was the theory...
Grand Canyon
09-01-2005
I cant make my mind up if I want John to stay or go.

Part of me is saying 'keep him in and let him create tensions within the house' as I am in no doubt that is what he is doing.

On the other hand, I find him cringeworthy to watch at the moment with his silent attitude.

Good grief, the guy has little to annoy him. There are a lot worse things going on in the world that could happen to you than being deprived of diet coke. I love diet coke but when I look at this monstrosity, it is enought to put me off the stuff, forever.
biomorph04
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“He's more to be pitied than blamed,

He's a messed up twisted bloke who hangs on to what little of the past he thinks justifies his arguments.

He's interesting to watch, it's interesting to see the others react to him. He'll probably leave on Friday, until then he's entertainment.”


it is interesting to watch how the others deal and react to him..... though i can only cope with him in the edited show.... he is too much live. i don't know if it will be good to evict him or not.
Jaded
09-01-2005
Ditch the dead wood and keep the kindling - no matter how AWFUL it may be. Dullards out - irritants in.
biomorph04
09-01-2005
he is such a weird sort of child-thing isn't he.

whats interesting is the caring and nurturing of the rest of the group.
Jaded
09-01-2005
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“he is such a weird sort of child-thing isn't he.”

Do you notice the tautness in his elbows? His arms seldom naturally relax and extend. Instead they are perminently locked in a paralysied right angle to his body - like a velociraptor...
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