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Dctor Who now only 45 minutes long.Not good.
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SilenceWillFall
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by Helbore:
“I blame the Gay Agenda.

And John Barrowman.”

I blame the Daleks. And the Cybermen. And the Weeping Angels. Oh, and Geogre W. Bush. Also, I have a feeling that I wanted to blame somebody as well, but I seem to have forgotten whom.
mossy2103
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“I like Mat smith actually, but I dont like this season much and Im trying to understand why,”

Well, posting misinformation and untruths is not going to assist with that understanding.
mossy2103
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“To be pedantic, the TV slot time is now 45 minutes including intro etc so that cuts time down,where as previous slot time was given as one hour including intro etc.
I do think they have shaved time off them and that it matters.”

Sorry, but the previous time slot was NEVER routinely given as an hour (as previously pointed out to you). You are wrong, plain and simple.
Granny McSmith
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SilenceWillFall:
“I blame the Daleks. And the Cybermen. And the Weeping Angels. Oh, and Geogre W. Bush. Also, I have a feeling that I wanted to blame somebody as well, but I seem to have forgotten whom. ”

I blame it on the boogie.
SillyBillyGoat
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I don't know what "others" think, but I think I'm fed up with these nonsensical threads whinging about non-existent situations.

Sorry, but you did ask my opinion. That's it.”

You can't be that fed up if you enter these "nonsensical" threads. I'm personally fed up of people being unnecessarily rude whenever someone has something to say that isn't exactly positive.
mossy2103
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I blame it on the boogie.”

I blame it on the moonlight
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“You can't be that fed up if you enter these "nonsensical" threads. I'm personally fed up of people being unnecessarily rude whenever someone has something to say that isn't exactly positive.”

It isn't 'something that is not exactly positive'. It is lies and misinformation. Can you not see the difference?
be more pacific
26-04-2013
Blame it on the rain (rain)
Blame it on the stars (stars)
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah
You can blame it on the rain

That was all my own work. Can I have a Grammy please?
Helbore
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“Blame it on the rain (rain)
Blame it on the stars (stars)
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah
You can blame it on the rain

That was all my own work. Can I have a Grammy please?”

We could offer you a Granny.
SilenceWillFall
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“You can't be that fed up if you enter these "nonsensical" threads. I'm personally fed up of people being unnecessarily rude whenever someone has something to say that isn't exactly positive.”

There's a vast difference between posting a negative opinion and posting pure misinformation, isn't there? A thread where the OP posts incorrect information and continues to claim it even after they have been proven wrong by several posters is IMO nonsensical. We're not talking about opinions here, but about the runtime which is a fact not an opinion, one that is pretty easy to find.
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“Blame it on the rain (rain)
Blame it on the stars (stars)
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah
You can blame it on the rain

That was all my own work. Can I have a Grammy please?”

No but you might be able to have a Granny after that you silver tongued devil!
kyllerbuzcut
26-04-2013
It's obviously Thatcher's fault

Vote for me and I'll make the episodes an hour long. If American TV networks want to buy it then they can run it for 1 hour 30 mins and have 30 mins of ad breaks or something. Then I will bring back Confidential to fill the other half hour for them- making it fill their hour long slots nicely by having the whole thing 2 hours.
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SilenceWillFall:
“There's a vast difference between posting a negative opinion and posting pure misinformation, isn't there? A thread where the OP posts incorrect information and continues to claim it even after they have been proven wrong by several posters is IMO nonsensical. We're not talking about opinions here, but about the runtime which is a fact not an opinion, one that is pretty easy to find.”

This was the exact point I was trying to make on the other thread which was missed by some.

A personal like and dislike of the show is an individual thing that is unique and not always rational. That's fair enough.

But statements like 'Doctor Who is childish' or 'Doctor Who is not as long as it used to be' or 'Doctor Who is too violent' etc etc need to be backed up with evidence and argument.

Why are some people so intent on defending this sort of nonsense? A cursory check of Wikipedia before starting this thread would have corrected the OPs misunderstanding. The fact they chose not to, still posted and then have ignored the responses from well meaning forum members is not only down right rude but it leads to one conclusion about the motives of such posts.
Granny McSmith
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“You can't be that fed up if you enter these "nonsensical" threads. I'm personally fed up of people being unnecessarily rude whenever someone has something to say that isn't exactly positive.”

I'm so old now. I used to have so much mercy.....




Originally Posted by Helbore:
“We could offer you a Granny. ”

Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“No but you might be able to have a Granny after that you silver tongued devil!”

Glyn W
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“I like Mat smith actually, but I dont like this season much and Im trying to understand why, and I think one of the reasons is the narrative doesnt seem to go anywhere which led me to think about epsiode length.....that's all.”

Only problem being is that you didn't think about it at all, just spouted. And got it wrong.
TheSilentFez
26-04-2013
Um...Doctor Who episodes have been 45 minutes long since 2005. Only a few have been 50 mins or more.
How is it dumbing the show down when they have always been 45 minutes? In fact, most Classic Who episodes were 25 minutes.
The OP's post is total rubbish and should be completely ignored.
Koquillion
26-04-2013
Shame a quite valid topic has been blighted by a poor opening post. Cutting out the bizarre reasoning, 'would Doctor Who be better as an hour rather than 45-50 mins?' is, I think, a good question.

Some episodes would, yes. Rose for instance felt a bit rushed , excusable given what it had to cram in, but it still managed to hook a whole new generation so what would the extra 10 mins have done to improve it?

My all time favourite episode is Girl in the Fireplace (and I include classic Who there), absolutely perfect in every way to me (we loves shaggy dog stories!)and as good an argument as any for DW in its present format.
The current crop of episodes are just the same as every series has been since 2005, some feel a bit clipped, some are just right and some even feel a bit padded!
Asylum maybe could have had a bit more of a coherent set up but was still a joy.

Dinosaurs felt like it was padding out a bit before getting to idea that was driving the story, Solomon's greed and the dilemma the Doctor faced over Nefertiti (only watched it once as my TiVo box went duff and lost it so memory might be hazy on that one)

Bells was just right and had everything. Introduced a new companion, some delightful Matt moments , a top set piece in the plane, good threat and a great resolution with a twist.Even the potentially awful anti grav bike was handled well and didn't feel like a 'burping bin' moment and was much better than watching The Doctor waiting for a lift in the Shard!
Sophie ~Oohie~
26-04-2013
I thought they were nearly all either 45 or 50 minutes, I don't remember them being an hour or longer except specials, and certainly not recently.
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“Shame a quite valid topic has been blighted by a poor opening post. Cutting out the bizarre reasoning, 'would Doctor Who be better as an hour rather than 45-50 mins?' is, I think, a good question.

Some episodes would, yes. Rose for instance felt a bit rushed , excusable given what it had to cram in, but it still managed to hook a whole new generation so what would the extra 10 mins have done to improve it?

My all time favourite episode is Girl in the Fireplace (and I include classic Who there), absolutely perfect in every way to me (we loves shaggy dog stories!)and as good an argument as any for DW in its present format.
The current crop of episodes are just the same as every series has been since 2005, some feel a bit clipped, some are just right and some even feel a bit padded!
Asylum maybe could have had a bit more of a coherent set up but was still a joy.

Dinosaurs felt like it was padding out a bit before getting to idea that was driving the story, Solomon's greed and the dilemma the Doctor faced over Nefertiti (only watched it once as my TiVo box went duff and lost it so memory might be hazy on that one)

Bells was just right and had everything. Introduced a new companion, some delightful Matt moments , a top set piece in the plane, good threat and a great resolution with a twist.Even the potentially awful anti grav bike was handled well and didn't feel like a 'burping bin' moment and was much better than watching The Doctor waiting for a lift in the Shard!”

I think generally 45 minutes is often just about right but it varies based on the episode. I think there should be perhaps a bit of space to change the running time as we have seen in the past...The Eleventh Hour wouldn't be the classic it is if it was fifteen minutes shorter (plus the title wouldn't work obviously!) but i don't see any need for Hide to have been any longer than it was.

Two part finales would be welcome back again. I suppose it depends partly on the story and how well its written. The 'Flesh' two parter was tediously long for me. 'A Good man..' should have been at least an hour. 'The Wedding of River Song' needed about three to wrap things up properly.'Waters of Mars' was perfect at one hour.

On balance though I think 45 is fine. Mostly.
Muttley76
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“You can't be that fed up if you enter these "nonsensical" threads. I'm personally fed up of people being unnecessarily rude whenever someone has something to say that isn't exactly positive.”

so what you are saying is that you think it's perfectly okay for someone to post a load of made up rubbish and that they shouldn't be challenged on it if they do? How bizarre.
The 12th Doctor
26-04-2013
They were always (post-2005) 45 minutes.
DiscoP
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“I think generally 45 minutes is often just about right but it varies based on the episode. I think there should be perhaps a bit of space to change the running time as we have seen in the past...The Eleventh Hour wouldn't be the classic it is if it was fifteen minutes shorter (plus the title wouldn't work obviously!) but i don't see any need for Hide to have been any longer than it was.

Two part finales would be welcome back again. I suppose it depends partly on the story and how well its written. The 'Flesh' two parter was tediously long for me. 'A Good man..' should have been at least an hour. 'The Wedding of River Song' needed about three to wrap things up properly.'Waters of Mars' was perfect at one hour.

On balance though I think 45 is fine. Mostly.”

Doh! I've only just made the connection between the opening episode being an hour long and it's title. Even more remarkable given the discussion about 24 on another thread today!
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“Doh! I've only just made the connection between the opening episode being an hour long and it's title. Even more remarkable given the discussion about 24 on another thread today!”

I'm not sure this dunce cap is fit for two old chum but we could give it a go!
saladfingers81
26-04-2013
Imagine it. 'The Eleventh Forty Five Minutes and a Few Seconds'. The episode that never was.
Midnight Moggy
26-04-2013
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“Doctor Who is now only 45 minutes long an episodes when it used to be an hour. I prefer the older format. It gives more depth to the show and allows for fuller development and is the traditional length for most dramas.

I think they shortened it to accommodate BBC America audience because they require 15 minutes of adverts in the hour. But this is OUR show. Why should we have to change for them. If they want it, they should adapt to us.

It isnt fair and its dumbing down the show.Ive found all the episodes so far dont really develop narrative and seem cut off short...and now i realise why...because the show has got shorter.

ISherlock is an hour and a half. I hope they dont shave that down as well to accommodate adverts in America.

They should always put the original audience first, not commercial interests in America.Im not going to watch this watered down version.

What do others think?”

Where have you got this idea that they used to be an hour from? As other people have said, apart from a few specials, etc, 45 minutes has always been the normal length for Dr Who episodes since the show returned in 2005.
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