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Koquillion
27-04-2013
... the bloody TARDIS interior doors. What is it with people liking them? Tell me, what would be in that space when the TARDIS changes in to a stove...a tiny oven door? How would that work when they have to get in sharpish.."give us a push Peri, my belly is stuck again..oh, the Daleks got her" . And don't get me started on ionic columns. Clearly, the exterior of the TARDIS exists in our dimension and when the interior doors are shut the outer shell dissolves and the travel capsules transdimensional interior becomes protected allowing navigation through the time vortex. The whole thing is making the show look ridiculous and unbelievable!! I just hope they sort it out before any more damage is done. My mum agrees with me (well she said 'yes dear' when I complained to her about it!). Is anyone a professor of temporal mechanics that can back me up?

Is there some minor and irrelevant thing in Doctor Who that you need to vent your spleen about?...then do it here!!!
Dave-H
27-04-2013
I always thought those bloody huge interior TARDIS doors in the classic series were more annoying, especially as people seemed to come through them the instant that they entered the external police box doors!
How exactly was that supposed to work then?!
13lives
27-04-2013
i liked those big clunky doors in the classic series
Koquillion
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“I always thought those bloody huge interior TARDIS doors in the classic series were more annoying, especially as people seemed to come through them the instant that they entered the external police box doors!
How exactly was that supposed to work then?!
”

The interface between dimensions is like a thin one molecule thick film that stretches to accommodate the shape of the gateway formed in our dimension. The structures in our dimension are not strictly necessary and act more as a point of reference for the crew to be able to locate their gateway. When the TARDIS materialised in the 1960's it chose a police box as this provided a cabinet that occupants could enter before passing through the filmic membrane located towards the rear of 3 dimensional shell. It took account of the fact that the primitive natives of Earth, in a big city where there is great possibility of being observed, would be freaked out by people that just appeared out of thin air or stepped out of seden chairs and so camouflaged itself accordingly.
The difference between the time seen entering through the Police Box doors and passing through the gateway into the interior is caused by the temporal stress of puncturing the dimensional walls. To a none time sensitive like you and me it can be perceived that those arriving into the TARDIS interior have got there before they even stepped through the membrane to enter in the first place!

Honestly, this has all never been explained anywhere in the show as I just made it all up because you dared to challenge my irrelevant observation. I do wish you would hear what your eyes have never had explained in the show and come up with some unreasonable, far fetched babble of your own to justify your challenge to my idiocy!
nebogipfel
27-04-2013
I agree. I always liked the throwing of the lever and waiting for the heavy doors to swing open. I asked my mum once what was in the dark bit between the inner and outer doors. She said some sort of lobby space. She's not a professor of temporal mechanics though.

Seemed a bit strange that leaving involved a wait for door swing, but entering was instant. Maybe the heavy doors had a fast swingback spring that flung them open. It's set to "slow" when people are in the console room to prevent accidents in the workplace.

I understand why they changed it though. Everyone needs to rush about all the time in modern telly. Wait for a door to open in modern telly and half the audience falls asleep.
Koquillion
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by 13lives:
“i liked those big clunky doors in the classic series ”

Good. Got any gripes or niggles that are minor and irrelevant....'when the hell did roundels become hexagonal' might be a good one..?
Last edited by Koquillion : 27-04-2013 at 13:55
Sue_Aitch
27-04-2013
The Tardis door squeak coming back: all new interior for the end Ep 1 of Series 5: why doesn't the Doctor WD-40 the doors and how come the doors manage not to squeak when she's landed in the Oval Office in Ep 1 of Series 6?
nebogipfel
27-04-2013
Why does the main door lead straight into the flight deck in any case? Security nightmare. Handy for the Doctor needing to take off in an enormous hurry. But the Tardis was designed by cautious non interventionist civil service types. I've never been on a ship where the gangplank goes straight to the wheelroom.
13lives
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“Good. Got any gripes or niggles that are minor and irrelevant....'when the hell did roundels become hexagonal' might be a good one..?”

good point what happened to the roundels!! and seeing as some episodes seem to be more soap opera, do any of the companions not ever have to use the toilet?? or does the Tardis generate a "never need the loo" temporal field
Koquillion
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch:
“The Tardis door squeak coming back: all new interior for the end Ep 1 of Series 5: why doesn't the Doctor WD-40 the doors and how come the doors manage not to squeak when she's landed in the Oval Office in Ep 1 of Series 6?”

Well spotted. I have never wasted any of my diminishing brain capacity on the squeak but now you've pointed it out, I'm bloody livid! What are they peddling us here? Do they want us to believe that this technologically incomprehensible machine actually adds its own pointless sound effects out of whimsy? No wonder the fast return switch sticks, the TARDIS needs to concentrate on proper self maintenance not piddling about creating unnecessary noises! And why, if it can manage to change its exterior for stuff like that and adding ambulance badges, can't it just sort it's chameleon gubbins out meaning that my interior door gripe could be sorted out once and for all?
thorr
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“Well spotted. I have never wasted any of my diminishing brain capacity on the squeak but now you've pointed it out, I'm bloody livid! What are they peddling us here? Do they want us to believe that this technologically incomprehensible machine actually adds its own pointless sound effects out of whimsy? No wonder the fast return switch sticks, the TARDIS needs to concentrate on proper self maintenance not piddling about creating unnecessary noises! And why, if it can manage to change its exterior for stuff like that and adding ambulance badges, can't it just sort it's chameleon gubbins out meaning that my interior door gripe could be sorted out once and for all?”

Indeed. It can quite happily re-configure its entire interior, which must be vast, yet cannot adjust it exterior appearance! It's outrageous - do they take us for idiots!
thorr
27-04-2013
and another thing - if the tardis can fly itself, has always taken the doctor where he needed to go, why does it need controls?
Dave-H
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by thorr:
“and another thing - if the tardis can fly itself, has always taken the doctor where he needed to go, why does it need controls?”

They're just there for the Doctor to play with.
The TARDIS knows that he needs to think that he's actually controlling it or he'd sulk!
Dave-H
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“The interface between dimensions is like a thin one molecule thick film that stretches to accommodate the shape of the gateway formed in our dimension. The structures in our dimension are not strictly necessary and act more as a point of reference for the crew to be able to locate their gateway. When the TARDIS materialised in the 1960's it chose a police box as this provided a cabinet that occupants could enter before passing through the filmic membrane located towards the rear of 3 dimensional shell. It took account of the fact that the primitive natives of Earth, in a big city where there is great possibility of being observed, would be freaked out by people that just appeared out of thin air or stepped out of seden chairs and so camouflaged itself accordingly.
The difference between the time seen entering through the Police Box doors and passing through the gateway into the interior is caused by the temporal stress of puncturing the dimensional walls. To a none time sensitive like you and me it can be perceived that those arriving into the TARDIS interior have got there before they even stepped through the membrane to enter in the first place!
Honestly, this has all never been explained anywhere in the show as I just made it all up because you dared to challenge my irrelevant observation. I do wish you would hear what your eyes have never had explained in the show and come up with some unreasonable, far fetched babble of your own to justify your challenge to my idiocy!”

"Filmic membrane" eh?
Love it!
ea91
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by thorr:
“and another thing - if the tardis can fly itself, has always taken the doctor where he needed to go, why does it need controls?”

As seen in Hide, somebody needs to land the TARDIS. Clara obviously had no clue how to do it, and River apparently does it better than the Doctor.
Koquillion
27-04-2013
And what about health and safety in the new console room? That raised platform with the low handrails, one bout of severe buffeting and the Doctor will be over them, mark my words. He has all ready had to regenerate once because of this and yet he has not learnt. I just hope we never have to watch the 12th Doctor writhing around convincingly in a Matt Smith wig, all because the TARDIS ignored its own safety protocols.
Talma
27-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“And what about health and safety in the new console room? That raised platform with the low handrails, one bout of severe buffeting and the Doctor will be over them, mark my words. He has all ready had to regenerate once because of this and yet he has not learnt. I just hope we never have to watch the 12th Doctor writhing around convincingly in a Matt Smith wig, all because the TARDIS ignored its own safety protocols.”

And when Clara was shaking her umbrella last week he didn't put up a 'caution wet surface' sign up and even rushed over that place again later. You just can't tell some people,
Face Of Jack
27-04-2013
Those inner doors of the classic series used to baffle me too!
You'd see them running into the Tardis - straight in and slam the door shut instantly. INSIDE the doors took ages to close!
If there was a 'lobby' between the two - fair enough. But that wasn't always the case, as we saw in various stories, the immediate 'outside' could be seen straight from those inner doors. Mind-boggling
I think the Peter Cushing movie must have inspired RTD to have it made more sensible and have the doors as they are now!

I also miss those roundels!!
Dogmatix
27-04-2013
Does the TARDIS have a khazi? Or do people simply not need to 'go' on board due to some wibbly wobbly timey wimey side effect?
Koquillion
28-04-2013
And just to prove the point made in my original post, if the TARDIS had proper interior doors tonight's story would not have been possible. A complete transdimensional interior would have not been penetrated by a little whatever the hell it was because the filmic membrane is way too flimsy to rely on. It really wouldn't surprise me if Moffat goes over this mess. I have sent, literally, a few emails to the BBC explaining in detail the principle of interspatialrobustanarianism in vortexualanist dynamic systems, but they have ignored both of it. My pointless annoyance just gets more pointless but I am at maximum, full blown annoyance now!! Gggggrrrrr!!

Get him away from this year's Halloween special (which they have already put back to November 23rd because, I understand,he can't decide what hat the Doctor should wear in the love scene) before that lacks interior doors!
rwebster
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“... the bloody TARDIS interior doors. What is it with people liking them? Tell me, what would be in that space when the TARDIS changes in to a stove”

Nothing, cos it doesn't.

It's got a whole host of kitchen options, why would it transform into something with a tiny door?
Koquillion
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by rwebster:
“Nothing, cos it doesn't.”

But it has...
rwebster
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by Koquillion:
“But it has...”

It phased those options out when it fixed the doors in place. q:

It'd go for a big fridge-freezer nowadays. Way more sensible.
CLL Dodge
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by Dogmatix:
“Does the TARDIS have a khazi? Or do people simply not need to 'go' on board due to some wibbly wobbly timey wimey side effect?”

They hire it from these guys:

http://www.tardishire.co.uk/
johnnysaucepn
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“They hire it from these guys:

http://www.tardishire.co.uk/”

Tardishire sounds like a place I'd like to live.
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