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"The Crimson Horror" Previews
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CD93
28-04-2013
Until the main thread is up - at which point it could be merged - whatever can be found shall be shared.

Next Time Trailer

BBCA Trailer

Diana Rigg Interview & Clip

Cultbox Dialogue Teasers

Cultbox Hints
Fire Host
28-04-2013
SFX's spoiler-free preview

They seem less negative about this than Journey, maybe.
Fire Host
28-04-2013
Pah, EDIT time elapsed. Anyway, here's Doctor Who Online's spoiler-free review.

8/10, sounds good.
HappyTrucker
28-04-2013
Can't make my mind up about this one. Not sure if these would qualify as spoilers so I'll tag them anyway, but according to some places
Spoiler
this is a Doctor and Clara -lite episode with most of the emphasis being on Vastra, Jenny and Strax.


If this is the case then I would be a little disappointed since
Spoiler
character -lite episodes used to be down to filming schedules etc but we had such a huge gap between parts a and b this time I'm surprised they need to have a -lite episode at all, even taking into account filming the 50th. Which, let's face it, only started recently so would have had no impact on filming the main series.


After the "Next Time" trailer I had this mad thought that
Spoiler
since it was apparently set in the same era as The Snowmen there would be more development of the Clara angle, maybe with her stumbling across the grave of her 'other' self for example. If we are Doctor & Clara -lite then this may happen but not with the payoff it could have had maybe?
moonburn
28-04-2013
I totally adore Diana Rigg
Evil under the sun watched it so many times but her performance never makes it boring.
claire2281
28-04-2013
Originally Posted by HappyTrucker:
“Can't make my mind up about this one. Not sure if these would qualify as spoilers so I'll tag them anyway, but according to some places
Spoiler
this is a Doctor and Clara -lite episode with most of the emphasis being on Vastra, Jenny and Strax.
”

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As I understand it, the other trio carry more of the episode, yes, but the Doctor and Clara still play significant roles


Quote:
“After the "Next Time" trailer I had this mad thought that
Spoiler
since it was apparently set in the same era as The Snowmen there would be more development of the Clara angle, maybe with her stumbling across the grave of her 'other' self for example. If we are Doctor & Clara -lite then this may happen but not with the payoff it could have had maybe?
”

But they're set in completely different parts of the UK so...
Josh Pinder
28-04-2013
Cannot wait for this one looks set to continue trend for series 7 thus far (9/10s bar Hide which was 10/10 thus far) this one looks as mad as i hoped it would be! And cannot wait for the return of Strax, Vastra and Jenny!
Tom Tit
29-04-2013
More Gattiss coming up

I'm hoping that whoever the next showrunner is it's someone unbiased (Moffatt is his friend) who can recognize Gattiss as a weak script-writer and stop using him.

This is the one out of all of the new episodes that I've not really been looking forward to. At least Gatiss' last episode had the novelty of the returning Ice Warriors to support it.

I guess it will be interesting to see Strax and Vastra written by someone other than Moffatt at least.

I'm not really excited by Cybermen either, so roll on the series finale now.
cazzz
29-04-2013
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“More Gattiss coming up

I'm hoping that whoever the next showrunner is it's someone unbiased (Moffatt is his friend) who can recognize Gattiss as a weak script-writer and stop using him
.

This is the one out of all of the new episodes that I've not really been looking forward to. At least Gatiss' last episode had the novelty of the returning Ice Warriors to support it.

I guess it will be interesting to see Strax and Vastra written by someone other than Moffatt at least.

I'm not really excited by Cybermen either, so roll on the series finale now.”

i normally look forward to Dr Who but less so when its a Gatiss episode amongst a great series, but even less so now its another Gatiss in what is my least favourite series to date
barracuda91
29-04-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Cannot wait for this one looks set to continue trend for series 7 thus far (9/10s bar Hide which was 10/10 thus far) this one looks as mad as i hoped it would be! And cannot wait for the return of Strax, Vastra and Jenny!”

I agree. I'm really looking forward to this one. Diana Rigg is awesome in Game of Thrones and I also like her daughter, Rachael Stirling, so can't wait to see it.
TheSilentFez
29-04-2013
This is my least anticipated episode of the series. I thought Strax was amusing in A Good Man Goes to War, but I don't think they should have brought him back. He seems to make the Sontarans look more like jokes rather than the formidable enemies they once were.

Anyway, I'll probably love it no matter what. If it's Doctor Who, it will be great. I'm just not expecting it to be a favourite.
johnnysaucepn
29-04-2013
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“This is my least anticipated episode of the series. I thought Strax was amusing in A Good Man Goes to War, but I don't think they should have brought him back. He seems to make the Sontarans look more like jokes rather than the formidable enemies they once were.”

To be fair, they've gone out of their way to make sure we know that Strax is not typical of their race, much as Vastra is not typical of hers. I agree that Sontarans should generally be deadly serious in their intentions, but let's be honest, they are a little bit funny even then! (I still remember the UNIT soldier that got himself killed over that.)

Have you seen Demon's Run - Two Days Later yet?
ShootyDogThing
29-04-2013
Here's a short clip of the episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY9a1JEww9Q

And here's a 4 Star review from cultbox: http://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/epi...er-free-review
Muttley76
29-04-2013
Get the sense this will be bit of a romp. Probably will be a welcome change of pace before things step up a gear for the last two episodes.

BTW, I can't agree with the comment about Gatiss being a weak script writer when you look at his whole body of work.
Badcat
29-04-2013
I have never been so excited about an episode in this series than the next one.

Roll on Strax, Vastra and Jenny! Hope they will bring a bit of the old Dr Who back that has been oddly missing since this new series started.

Would I care if it's a Doctor/ Clara light episode?
Not at all, in fact as I'm dreaming of a spin off series for our Victorian trio I'm actually for once looking forward to Dr Who! (been a while I can tell you).

And the whole point of Strax and Vasta is they are not MEANT to be like their average species based on their experiences that they had to endure when they owed a debt to the Doctor.

I love the fact that Strax still wants to destroy everything and perceives everything a a threat ("We are going... North!...) And his mini xmas song clips had me laughing so very hard.

All 3 chars are beautifully acted and they will bring a much needed addition to what I feel is a very lack luster series so far.
alixfowler
29-04-2013
Clara is dead - obviously the Doctor telling Vastra and Jenny that Victorian really is dead and this Clara isn't her if that makes sense
Shawn_Lunn
29-04-2013
Originally Posted by moonburn:
“I totally adore Diana Rigg
Evil under the sun watched it so many times but her performance never makes it boring.”

She's been fantastic in Game Of Thrones this season as well, so I am really looking forward to her in this one.
claire2281
29-04-2013
Originally Posted by alixfowler:
“Clara is dead - obviously the Doctor telling Vastra and Jenny that Victorian really is dead and this Clara isn't her if that makes sense”

IIRC there was some dialogue overheard in filming between the Doctor and Jenny.

Spoiler
Something along the lines of Jenny saying that Clara is dead and they saw it happen and the Doctor saying that 'no, the process can be reversed'. Which would seem to suggest that perhaps whatever's happening to the people in this episode happens to Clara and they have to then get her back. Also fits with the little 'miss me' clip we've already seen and the almost doll like pose Clara has on the poster.
Muttley76
30-04-2013
screencaps here:

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.co.uk/201...romo-pics.html

picture 18 is rather cool.

nothing looks terribly spoilery in that lot.
TEDR
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“picture 18 is rather cool. ”

I'm sure it's just for the promo but I'm not sure about the fake film grain; it looks like they've just added random low-intensity noise and hoped for the best.

Anyway, I feel vindicated now — I lived in Yorkshire for a bit but never visited Saltaire or New Earswick or any of the rest as I felt they'd be a bit creepy.
Tom Tit
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“BTW, I can't agree with the comment about Gatiss being a weak script writer when you look at his whole body of work.”


Perhaps I am being unfair because I'm not really familiar with his body of work, only Doctor Who and the League of Gentlemen. I did love the latter, but it was a very different beast to writing a semi-serious drama show. He's written enough episodes of Doctor Who by now that I think it's fair to judge him on the sample if they've all been consistent.

So, I am only going on his Doctor Who scripts but they've all been the same in that the dialogue is trite, the characters not believable, the motifs heavy-handed and obvious 'The Cold War' in his last episode for example), the drama 'tightly plotted' (to quote Doctor Who magazine's preview of his last episode) to the point of being utterly predictable because he always progresses the story in the conventionally 'correct' way. His scripts do come over as those of someone who has been taught to write in a class. Everything is technically sound, but it's lacking the inspiration and charisma that natural writers have. It's clearly a craft he has honed, and credit to him for his hard work but I can always tell it was hard work.

I have never been a hater because he does seem like a nice bloke and I like him when I hear him interviewed as he is passionate about his work; I like various documentaries he has fronted. I like him as an actor. But I just don't think he is a strong writer and would personally not commission him. I genuinely wish I liked his work.
TEDR
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Perhaps I am being unfair [...]”

I don't think you are as I pretty much agree. Gatiss' Who work tends to be routine to the point of boredom — a question for those reading: how do you rate Victory of the Daleks and The Idiot's Lantern?

Checking here (as the first relevant ranking thing Google found), of the 257 Doctor Who stories broadcast to date Gatiss' stories to date have been voted into positions 61, 62, 189, 198 and 214. So his mean ranking is 144.8, worse than 56% of other stories, and his median is 189, worse than 73% of other stories.
Muttley76
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by TEDR:
“I don't think you are as I pretty much agree. Gatiss' Who work tends to be routine to the point of boredom — a question for those reading: how do you rate Victory of the Daleks and The Idiot's Lantern?

Checking here (as the first relevant ranking thing Google found), of the 257 Doctor Who stories broadcast to date Gatiss' stories to date have been voted into positions 61, 62, 189, 198 and 214. So his mean ranking is 144.8, worse than 56% of other stories, and his median is 189, worse than 73% of other stories.”

The thing is though, were the problems that some people had with those episodes actually to do with the script or other factors?

For example, the two biggest issues people raise with Victory were a) the rushed nature of the plot in the the second half of the episode (he can't control how much time is allocated to his story or how its edited) and b) the redesign of the Daleks, neither of which actually had anything to do with Gatiss (he is actually on record as saying that he raised some reservations about said redesign). On the other hand, one thing that people often say is that the concept behind the episode was a good one - and that is something that Gatiss can take credit for.

The only major scripting issue I can take with his work is with how he resolved the abusive husband/father plot strand in The Idiots Lantern. It didn't sit comfortably with me and I actually found it to be quite irresponsible in how I perceive it to trivialise domestic abuse (which can be emotional and psychological as well as physical). But even then I have to concede my own life experience may impact on how I view that episode to a degree.

I'm not saying his scripts for Who have all been brilliant by any means, but I think it's fair to say that it takes more than a good script to make a good episode - there are other factors that can hinder this to a greater or lesser degree.
Tom Tit
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“The thing is though, were the problems that some people had with those episodes actually to do with the script or other factors?

For example, the two biggest issues people raise with Victory were a) the rushed nature of the plot in the the second half of the episode (he can't control how much time is allocated to his story or how its edited) and b) the redesign of the Daleks, neither of which actually had anything to do with Gatiss (he is actually on record as saying that he raised some reservations about said redesign). On the other hand, one thing that people often say is that the concept behind the episode was a good one - and that is something that Gatiss can take credit for.”


Well, I don't think any of that is as unequivocal as you imply.

As the script writer, of course he has to take a share of responsibility if the pacing is off. The director too, yes, but you can't just pick and choose who was to 'blame' and say it had 'nothing to do with Gatiss', unless you have read his scripts.

You are also erroneous to say that Gatiss was responsible for the idea for the episode: he has talked a number of times, most notably on Confidential, about his reactions when Steven Moffat pitched the idea to him of a story with Winston Churchill and the Daleks.

Additionally, the main plot thrust of the Daleks pretending to serve humanity is actually a direct lift from classic doctor Who story 'The Power of the Daleks' by David Whitaker back in the 60s. Gatiss even mimicked the dialogue in that story, changing the Dalek motto from 'I am your servant' in 'Power' to 'I am your soldier' in his own story. So that wasn't his idea either.

On top of this, I must say that I had far more than just these two problems with that particular episode.

Come on, you want to give Gatiss the benefit of the doubt, and that's nice of you, but can we really argue that Gatiss may have just have been unlucky with the production of all 5 of his scripts to date? Can they really all have been mangled? Especially given it's always the same weaknesses in all of them: hackneyed dialogue, one-dimensional characters, unimaginitive plotting. And surely none of those aspects can be blamed on the director?
Muttley76
30-04-2013
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Well, I don't think any of that is as unequivocal as you imply.

As the script writer, of course he has to take a share of responsibility if the pacing is off. The director too, yes, but you can't just pick and choose who was to 'blame' and say it had 'nothing to do with Gatiss', unless you have read his scripts.

You are also erroneous to say that Gatiss was responsible for the idea for the episode: he has talked a number of times, most notably on Confidential, about his reactions when Steven Moffat pitched the idea to him of a story with Winston Churchill and the Daleks.

Additionally, the main plot thrust of the Daleks pretending to serve humanity is actually a direct lift from classic doctor Who story 'The Power of the Daleks' by David Whitaker back in the 60s. Gatiss even mimicked the dialogue in that story, changing the Dalek motto from 'I am your servant' in 'Power' to 'I am your soldier' in his own story. So that wasn't his idea either.

On top of this, I must say that I had far more than just these two problems with that particular episode.

Come on, you want to give Gatiss the benefit of the doubt, and that's nice of you, but can we really argue that Gatiss may have just have been unlucky with the production of all 5 of his scripts to date? Can they really all have been mangled? Especially given it's always the same weaknesses in all of them: hackneyed dialogue, one-dimensional characters, unimaginitive plotting. And surely none of those aspects can be blamed on the director?”

I wasn't trying to suggest anything was unequvical though, just presenting a different perspective, if
amything its you that is.....
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