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Old 28-04-2013, 19:02
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I have a Samsung set of speakers bought in 07 i think hooked up to my Yamaha receiver which do the job

iv been reading about speakers and keep hearing how the center speaker is the most important what does anyone on here think?


im thinking of buying a new center speaker how much would I be talking for one but then I keep thinking should I upgrade the whole set as the samsung ones are kinda old would it be worth it any help
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Old 28-04-2013, 19:12
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Depends what you mean by 'most important' - it certainly needs the lowest specification, as it does the least.

I suspect the 'most important' part simply refers to not having one at all?.

I wouldn't have thought simply upgrading the centre speaker would make much difference?.
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Old 28-04-2013, 19:20
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Depends what you mean by 'most important' - it certainly needs the lowest specification, as it does the least.

I suspect the 'most important' part simply refers to not having one at all?.

I wouldn't have thought simply upgrading the centre speaker would make much difference?.
I guess I think my speakers are kinda old and not upto scratch lol

heres a listing of the exact set I have
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAMSUNG-HT...-/111022162427

would it be worth upgrading
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Old 28-04-2013, 20:01
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I guess I think my speakers are kinda old and not upto scratch lol

heres a listing of the exact set I have
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAMSUNG-HT...-/111022162427

would it be worth upgrading
Throw them away and get some proper speakers

Something like this set would blow those speakers into the weeds

http://www.richersounds.com/product/...ann-sfx5.1-blk

It can be hit and miss changing one speaker at a time. There is no guarantee it is going to match the others in the set sonically so I would always say upgrade the lot so you get a balanced sound.

The centre speaker carries a lot of dialogue in a surround mix so saying it does the least work is debatable at best. Depends how important you thing dialogue is to a movie I suppose.
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Old 28-04-2013, 20:18
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Throw them away and get some proper speakers

Something like this set would blow those speakers into the weeds

http://www.richersounds.com/product/...ann-sfx5.1-blk

It can be hit and miss changing one speaker at a time. There is no guarantee it is going to match the others in the set sonically so I would always say upgrade the lot so you get a balanced sound.

The centre speaker carries a lot of dialogue in a surround mix so saying it does the least work is debatable at best. Depends how important you thing dialogue is to a movie I suppose.
they dont deliver them here sadly
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Old 28-04-2013, 20:18
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Throw them away and get some proper speakers
Spot on.

What Yamaha AV receiver do you have?

As chris says, it is easy to mismatch speakers. A 5.1 speaker package will be matched in terms of performance and tonal balance.

Another package to consider is the Monitor Audio Vector bundle. You can find it for 300 (less than half original price) if you shop around online.
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Old 28-04-2013, 20:25
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Spot on.

What Yamaha AV receiver do you have?

As chris says, it is easy to mismatch speakers. A 5.1 speaker package will be matched in terms of performance and tonal balance.

Another package to consider is the Monitor Audio Vector bundle. You can find it for 300 (less than half original price) if you shop around online.
I have the

RXV471

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...v471_black__u/

I already bought the Yamaha sub-woofer because the Samsung one was not compatible with the receiver so I really just need the 5 speakers set
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Old 28-04-2013, 20:58
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You might struggle to find a system minus the sub. So you might have to buy two pairs of satellite speakers and a centre as separates. The system I use is essentially two pairs of these

http://www.amazon.co.uk/acoustics-20.../dp/B006H4GRH8
and this centre
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Q2000I-100W-...dp/B006GO9IRA/

Plus the matching sub which you might not require. The above would come to the thick end of 350. But they do sound very nice.
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Old 28-04-2013, 21:05
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You might struggle to find a system minus the sub. So you might have to buy two pairs of satellite speakers and a centre as separates. The system I use is essentially two pairs of these

http://www.amazon.co.uk/acoustics-20.../dp/B006H4GRH8
and this centre
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Q2000I-100W-...dp/B006GO9IRA/

Plus the matching sub which you might not require. The above would come to the thick end of 350. But they do sound very nice.
that center speaker looks quality though I would be probly better off doing something like this since I really dont need the subwoofer i only bought this one last year

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/630376/...ofer-blac.html
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Old 29-04-2013, 08:47
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The centre speaker carries a lot of dialogue in a surround mix so saying it does the least work is debatable at best. Depends how important you thing dialogue is to a movie I suppose.
Not a question of how important the dialogue is (it's obviously VERY important), it's a question of the required specifications for the reproduction, which are considerably lower than the front and sub, and possibly even the rears?.
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Old 29-04-2013, 09:25
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Not a question of how important the dialogue is (it's obviously VERY important), it's a question of the required specifications for the reproduction, which are considerably lower than the front and sub, and possibly even the rears?.
Disagree totally.

The centre reproduces the majority of the soundtrack, it not only pins dialogue to the screen but everything else you see, the main left/right and rear speakers are effectively f/x speakers. Having a weak centre speaker mixed in with much stronger fronts, even surrounds will ruin the sound field- a miss matched center speaker will easily stand out as soon a you hear panning affects.

Ideally all speakers need to be from the same manufacturer and all the same model, this will make sure they will all sound the same.

DD5.1/DTS and HD audio are full range discrete audio formats, each channel is identical in what it can output, why would you place a weaker speaker in the mix, or think one speaker is the weaker component.
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Old 29-04-2013, 10:07
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Not a question of how important the dialogue is (it's obviously VERY important), it's a question of the required specifications for the reproduction, which are considerably lower than the front and sub, and possibly even the rears?.
I take you you don't have a surround sound system then? Otherwise you would not be saying this. It is blindingly obvious listening to a proper surround mix on a decent system that the centre speaker is doing a lot of work. Often considerably more than the rears. And at times more than the fronts.

If anything the speakers with the lowest requirements are the rears. That is the area where someone on a tight budget might shave a few pennies off the cost. Certainly not the fronts or centre.
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Old 29-04-2013, 13:57
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I take you you don't have a surround sound system then? Otherwise you would not be saying this. It is blindingly obvious listening to a proper surround mix on a decent system that the centre speaker is doing a lot of work. Often considerably more than the rears. And at times more than the fronts.

If anything the speakers with the lowest requirements are the rears. That is the area where someone on a tight budget might shave a few pennies off the cost. Certainly not the fronts or centre.
If you take a dialogue-based film, such as The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel, I would say the Center speaker probably does over 80% of the work.
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Old 29-04-2013, 14:32
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Disagree totally.

The centre reproduces the majority of the soundtrack, it not only pins dialogue to the screen but everything else you see, the main left/right and rear speakers are effectively f/x speakers.
Would absolutely agree with this.

The centre speaker is absolutely vital to the setup, and a weak centre speaker ruins everything. It is the speaker I notice most if a setup has a tonal character not to my liking.
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Old 29-04-2013, 18:26
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something like the dark knight rises is weird to watch because the music in that movie is so overpowering I have to turn the sound down then when there talking again it has to go back up lol gonna give it another rewatch when I eventually get the new speakers a better center speaker should solve that
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Old 29-04-2013, 18:55
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something like the dark knight rises is weird to watch because the music in that movie is so overpowering I have to turn the sound down then when there talking again it has to go back up lol gonna give it another rewatch when I eventually get the new speakers a better center speaker should solve that
Have you calibrated the system, either by auto setup or manually?

Having the speaker levels, distances and delays setup correctly is most important if you want a well balanced system and one that sounds realistic.
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Old 29-04-2013, 19:43
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Have you calibrated the system, either by auto setup or manually?

Having the speaker levels, distances and delays setup correctly is most important if you want a well balanced system and one that sounds realistic.
I think so yeah used the sound calibrator thing that comes with the Yamaha receiver
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Old 29-04-2013, 23:25
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I think so yeah used the sound calibrator thing that comes with the Yamaha receiver
I'd be inclined to run it again just to make sure none of the settings have been altered.

See how it sounds, if you are still not happy then I'd probably look at a new speaker package over just replacing a single speaker.
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Old 13-05-2013, 22:50
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so im defiantly going for the

Q acoustics 2010i bookshelf speakers
with
Q2000I 100W Center Speaker

I just have to wait for my online store to get them in stock again which should be soon hopefully
cant wait to ditch the Samsung speakers

overall I should get everything for 400euros
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Old 14-05-2013, 00:27
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so im defiantly going for the
Why do so many people mistype this? Is it predictive text from phones or something?
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Old 14-05-2013, 00:36
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Why do so many people mistype this? Is it predictive text from phones or something?
i got the spell check error and picked what i thought was the right one obviously not lol
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Old 14-05-2013, 02:26
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i got the spell check error and picked what i thought was the right one obviously not lol
I knew it had to be something like that, this does seem to be the most common typo after the obvious your, you're, there, their etc that are maybe not typos but genuine misspellings.
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Old 14-05-2013, 09:38
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I just bought a KEF sp3322 which is coming in the next few days also another pair of KEF CARINA II so going to use them for 5.1 as I find these speakers have such great sound.
I have a Teac ADG200 its a cheap amp but does seem to have quite a bit of power.
also have an epos els for sub.
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Old 14-05-2013, 16:20
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I just bought a KEF sp3322 which is coming in the next few days also another pair of KEF CARINA II so going to use them for 5.1 as I find these speakers have such great sound.
I have a Teac ADG200 its a cheap amp but does seem to have quite a bit of power.
also have an epos els for sub.
The TEAC is fundamentally the same amp as the Onkyo 313, and I have the the Onkyo 414 (similar to the 313 but with "smart" additions) and complete set of KEF Cresta speakers that the SP3322 comes from.

It's a good combination -- they seem to work well with one another.
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Old 14-05-2013, 20:10
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Ideally you want the same tonal quality for each speaker so yes it's important.

A muffled sounding centre speaker will stand out if the mains and surrounds are more accurate or larger etc etc.

For me dialogue needs a quality speaker.
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