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My TV has the option of outputting via scart whatever Freeview channel the TV is tuned to, whatever analogue terrestrial channel the TV is tuned to (not used any more), or whatever the TV is displaying on screen.
If the TV can successfully play the picture from the VHS recording, does that mean that it could successfully output the picture and audio of what it is playing - in a format that the DVD recorder itself can understand? Alternatively, could the OP connect the RF output from the VCR directly to the DVD recorder, scan the DVDRs analogue tuner, and record this as analogue RF input rather than scart input? |
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If the TV can successfully play the picture from the VHS recording, does that mean that it could successfully output the picture and audio of what it is playing - in a format that the DVD recorder itself can understand? *there are a few exceptions as mentioned before |
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My TV has the option of outputting via scart whatever Freeview channel the TV is tuned to, whatever analogue terrestrial channel the TV is tuned to (not used any more), or whatever the TV is displaying on screen.
If the TV can successfully play the picture from the VHS recording, does that mean that it could successfully output the picture and audio of what it is playing - in a format that the DVD recorder itself can understand? Alternatively, could the OP connect the RF output from the VCR directly to the DVD recorder, scan the DVDRs analogue tuner, and record this as analogue RF input rather than scart input? |
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regarding DVD recorders accepting 'PAL60' input - a philips DVD recorder I used in the past - the DVDR3480 could certainly do so -
(this one http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/d/d...05_pss_eng.pdf) It recorded a PAL60 signal from a 'NTSC playback' PAL VCR OK - Obscure one-off solutions are all very well if accessible. But if not, then it's back to good old common sense and spending what's required. |
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Just out of interest, would one of these do the job??...
http://www.review33.com/review/revie...ce=cyp_cdm-800 I picked one of these up s/h from a boot sale years ago for £2, but have never actually used it. (seller thought it was some sort of 'video sender!). |
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I have a Panasonic DRM ES10 that I still use and I used a scart lead from my Video to composite ends with an in/out switcher on the scart end.
Plugged the composite leads in the back of the panasonic, and set the AV to AV4. Recorded a couple of NTSC films no problem. Don't know the exact settings etc as I no longer have a working Video. |
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I seem to have started something here. I had thought of using the RF output of the vcr but I don`t know whether this is just a loop through or whether the vcr actually rebroadcasts the tape output in a form which the dvd-r could "tune in" to. More experimentation called for, methinks.
I have to say that the £40 quotation I`d obtained was only one, and there may be cheaper (ie more affordable) alternatives out there. |
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I have a Panasonic DRM ES10 that I still use and I used a scart lead from my Video to composite ends with an in/out switcher on the scart end.
Plugged the composite leads in the back of the panasonic, and set the AV to AV4. Recorded a couple of NTSC films no problem. Don't know the exact settings etc as I no longer have a working Video. |
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Note; this might be getting too concerned with detail for the person who asked the original question. Feel free to skim or ignore this. ![]() Quote:
What I'm saying is, if you get an NTSC compatible player in the UK, the output will be the same as a PAL tape in the respect that UK [television] sets will be able to display it, etc. Like a black box type exercise.
The output from the VCRs in question is likely to be "PAL 60"- a hybrid with NTSC's 525 line / 60 Hz resolution, but PAL-spec colour (and sound?) subcarriers. It's neither fish (genuine NTSC) nor fowl (PAL), and while it should (*) in theory display on UK TVs that can handle the nonstandard line/frame rate, it can't be taken as given that it'll work with all digitisers and cards, which will process the information differently and have to know what they're working with. Quote:
You start with an NTSC tape and a viewable film at the end. What happens in-between, is not really important.
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Take THAT output and run it through a TV card and record off that. Then the computer will [digitise it].
(*) I do know that my parents' (now defunct) early-80s TV didn't like NTSC framerate input... but that *was* rather an old example. tl;dr version - PAL 60 is a hybrid (NTSC framerate and line count with PAL colour (and sound?)), and while this nonstandard signal might work with modern TVs, digitisation cards aren't TVs, and it can't be definitely assumed they'll work with it. Probably have to check and/or experiment... |
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I had a DRMES10 and it would record true NTSC but not PAL60...sadly the laser lasted about 17 months /15 recordings over that period and failed. most unreliable Panasonic product I've ever had.....
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Just out of interest, would one of these do the job??...
http://www.review33.com/review/revie...ce=cyp_cdm-800
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Anyone?
![]() You'd need a genuine NTSC VCR playing an NTSC tape, and a PAL DVD Recorder making the recording. Then, connecting via one of those boxes, that would work. |
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Can I just say this has been really really interesting and I`ve learnt a lot. Thanks to all posters. Have now found a way forward which doesn`t involve more than a few stamps and a 2-way postal trip across the Atlantic.
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Well great... and of course you can point the OP to where they can get one of these, still in working condition, for well under £40 delivered (minus the cost of some recording media, of course)... right?
Obscure one-off solutions are all very well if accessible. But if not, then it's back to good old common sense and spending what's required. |
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I seem to have started something here. I had thought of using the RF output of the vcr but I don`t know whether this is just a loop through or whether the vcr actually rebroadcasts the tape output in a form which the dvd-r could "tune in" to. More experimentation called for, methinks.
I have to say that the £40 quotation I`d obtained was only one, and there may be cheaper (ie more affordable) alternatives out there. |
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No. They won't work because you're not dealing with a pure NTSC or pure PAL signal. What's coming out of the VCR is a hybrid signal that a TV can cope with but a recorder (and these convertors) can't.
You'd need a genuine NTSC VCR playing an NTSC tape, and a PAL DVD Recorder making the recording. Then, connecting via one of those boxes, that would work. I've got a (UK) VCR capable of NTSC playback and a DVD recorder, and wondered if the converter would do the job with the 50/60 Hz problem. If it had been possible, my next step would have been to offer to do it for the OP as a one-off favour, but glad to see they have now sorted something out. |
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Just out of interest, would one of these do the job??...
http://www.review33.com/review/revie...ce=cyp_cdm-800 I picked one of these up s/h from a boot sale years ago for £2, but have never actually used it. (seller thought it was some sort of 'video sender!). |
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start by looking at auction sites and post wanted ad's on forums and through time you can usually find most mass produced items. i spotted one yesterday that was cheap and just needed repaired. a little bit of common sense and you could buy it for the cheap price and get it repaired or look for someone who can repair and get a quote before buying. it's not that hard
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Oh c'mon. We are talking about £40 to convert a tape versus days/weeks/months of hassle and open-ended costs if the machine "just needed repaired" as you put it. Get serious. Life's too short for that kind of grief.
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i am serious. you could post a wanted ad this minute and by midday someone could have one in the next day mail to you. if time is critical or you don't want to use that route then pay someone £40 to do it, but if you aren't in a hurry you can spend a few days to see if you can find the hardware to do it yourself and then you can convert as many items as you want. then when finished you can resell the hardware. you could buy an item that needs a repair, get it repaired, do the job and then resell the item for more than you paid for it and the repair. it's an option. not everyone wants to do things the same way as you
We will have to agree to disagree. I just don't see it worth all the time and hassle for a single tape conversion. |
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[Sigh] Well that's great if you have a load of stuff to convert. But here the OP is talking about one tape. I also disagree about recouping the repair cost. The market dictates price. The cost of repairs rarely factors in the value of old electronics items. There are just too many pitfalls to make it remotely sensible for a one-off.
We will have to agree to disagree. I just don't see it worth all the time and hassle for a single tape conversion. this is a not uncommon practice i see people discussing for all sorts of things. buy a tool/item for a specific job, use it, and sell it anyways the OP mentioned one tape in particular, but who knows if there are other tapes that aren't mentioned, or other tapes can be obtained. not being able to tranfer items or play them may put people off buying other items, but once they have the facilities to do so they may seek more. i've been the same myself with various forms of media |
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you can disagree all you want. some people may prefer that option. even if it's just one tape it could be cheaper to buy a recorder than pay £40, and regardless of what you do, you could buy a recorder that either works or is broken and you pay to repair it, and then sell the recorder again when finished and either get your investment back after the job is done, or even make a profit, particularly if you purchase a broken item for cheap, get it repaired and sell as working. and if we are talking items that are sought after and as hard to find working as you suggest, then reselling should be pretty easy
this is a not uncommon practice i see people discussing for all sorts of things. buy a tool/item for a specific job, use it, and sell it anyways the OP mentioned one tape in particular, but who knows if there are other tapes that aren't mentioned, or other tapes can be obtained. not being able to tranfer items or play them may put people off buying other items, but once they have the facilities to do so they may seek more. i've been the same myself with various forms of media |
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Yeah, well I hear a lot of stuff talked about. It doesn't mean it happens for real. Also, I think your "there might be other tapes" argument is just a poor way to try to justify a weak position. But whatever. Do what you want. It's your time and your money and I can't be bothered with this any more.
i've done exactly what i've described, and similarly i've bought and sold items to and from people who do the same. there's a very popular website that's pretty much based around people selling things they no longer want, to be purchased by others who do want them whether the OP has 1 tape or 100 is irrelevant. it's a choice they have available. you don't have to follow that if you don't want to do it. no one is forcing you. you can make your own decisions for yourself, and i won't complain whatever you choose |
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Can I just say this has been really really interesting and I`ve learnt a lot. Thanks to all posters. Have now found a way forward which doesn`t involve more than a few stamps and a 2-way postal trip across the Atlantic.
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Note; this might be getting too concerned with detail for the person who asked the original question. Feel free to skim or ignore this.
![]() Yes, but you're missing the point... we're *not* talking about displaying the signal on a TV. The output from the VCRs in question is likely to be "PAL 60"- a hybrid with NTSC's 525 line / 60 Hz resolution, but PAL-spec colour (and sound?) subcarriers. It's neither fish (genuine NTSC) nor fowl (PAL), and while it should (*) in theory display on UK TVs that can handle the nonstandard line/frame rate, it can't be taken as given that it'll work with all digitisers and cards, which will process the information differently and have to know what they're working with. It's only "not really important" in cases where you're pretty sure it's *definitely* going to work. The problem is that the card has to know what it's dealing with and able to demodulate it and determine the line structure before it can digitise it. And the (potential) problem is that it might not recognise and/or handle a signal with the resolution and framerate of NTSC, but sound and colour carriers of PAL. (*) I do know that my parents' (now defunct) early-80s TV didn't like NTSC framerate input... but that *was* rather an old example. tl;dr version - PAL 60 is a hybrid (NTSC framerate and line count with PAL colour (and sound?)), and while this nonstandard signal might work with modern TVs, digitisation cards aren't TVs, and it can't be definitely assumed they'll work with it. Probably have to check and/or experiment... Surely if you have an NTSC compatible video, which can play NSTC tapes on a PAL TV, then surely a PC TV card should also be able to display and deal with the same input for the simple fact it is a TV card and as such should be able to handle all TV signals. As far as the card is concerned, it should be just another TV transmission (which is basically how the TV works with a video recorder in the first place. The job of the video recorder is to do whatever is required to enable the NTSC input to be viewable on PAL equipment. Is there anyone out there who has done anything like this who can confirm or deny what I have said please? All input would be welcome. What would happen if you connected two video recorders together and tried making a PAL copy? In theory that should work because the PAL VCR would be recording the (already converted) PAL output. You may want to use SCART connections because RF connections can lose a bit of detail, resulting in reduced quality. After this, maybe you can try digitising your PAL copy? Please don't just take my word on this folks, if you think I'm wrong, please let me know. That way I can benefit too
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