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Thanks for your feedback, but I honestly believe (can't say for sure because I've never done this) that you're overcomplicating the issue.
Surely if you have an NTSC compatible video, which can play NSTC tapes on a PAL TV, then surely a PC TV card should also be able to display and deal with the same input for the simple fact it is a TV card and as such should be able to handle all TV signals. As far as the card is concerned, it should be just another TV transmission (which is basically how the TV works with a video recorder in the first place. The job of the video recorder is to do whatever is required to enable the NTSC input to be viewable on PAL equipment. Is there anyone out there who has done anything like this who can confirm or deny what I have said please? All input would be welcome. What would happen if you connected two video recorders together and tried making a PAL copy? In theory that should work because the PAL VCR would be recording the (already converted) PAL output. You may want to use SCART connections because RF connections can lose a bit of detail, resulting in reduced quality. After this, maybe you can try digitising your PAL copy? Please don't just take my word on this folks, if you think I'm wrong, please let me know. That way I can benefit too ![]() with a capture card it depends on what sources it can record basically you have NTSC at 60hz and PAL at 50hz as the main standards (although there are a number of variations of them. some uk PAL vcr's can play NTSC tapes, but they output at a "non standard" 60hz PAL. unfortunately few recorders can record a 60hz PAL signal. some capture cards can do it, but many can't. likewise some dvd recorders and vcrs can do it, but most can't there is an important difference between being able to accept and display a "non standard" PAL60 image, and being able to record it, as the recording typically means the record has to convert PAL60 to either PAL(50hz) or NTSC(60hz) - there are different numbers of lines in PAL and NTSC |
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Thanks for your feedback, but I honestly believe (can't say for sure because I've never done this) that you're overcomplicating the issue.
This poster already confirmed that PAL 60 didn't work with his DVD recorder *nor* his TV card. On the other hand, this other person found a DVD recorder that works. As I (correctly) guessed, it's a case-by-case basis thing. It's not guaranteed, because no-one said it was. Quote:
Surely if you have an NTSC compatible video, which can play NSTC tapes on a PAL TV, then surely a PC TV card should also be able to display and deal with the same input for the simple fact it is a TV card and as such should be able to handle all TV signals.
"PAL 60" is essentially a trick that relies (AFAIK) on the fact that *most* recent PAL sets can tolerate and display nonstandard framerates and line counts (i.e. 525-line/60Hz) sufficiently. That doesn't change the fact that it's not within the standard spec (and I'm guessing that most TVs don't actually *claim* to support it). But TV cards have to handle the signal quite differently in order to digitise it. I guessed- correctly as it turns out- that the fact that one can normally "get away" with PAL-60 for TV display says nothing about whether it'll work with a TV card or DVD recorder's digitiser. Quote:
As far as the card is concerned, it should be just another TV transmission [..] The job of the video recorder is to do whatever is required to enable the NTSC input to be viewable on PAL equipment.
VCRs that do a proper NTSC to (genuine 50Hz/625-line) PAL conversion exist- see one of the linked posts above- but that's not the same as lower-end PAL-60 "NTSC Playback" models. Quote:
What would happen if you connected two video recorders together and tried making a PAL copy? In theory that should work because the PAL VCR would be recording the (already converted) PAL output.
Reason being that it *hasn't* been converted to PAL, only PAL-60. And while most TVs will display that, it's still nonstandard, and PAL video recorders generally won't re-record it. |
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Assuming you mean a cheap "NTSC Playback" (PAL-60) VCR- not an expensive standards-converting one as above- then... no, that wouldn't work.
Reason being that it *hasn't* been converted to PAL, only PAL-60. And while most TVs will display that, it's still nonstandard, and PAL video recorders generally won't re-record it. A film buff I know had a world standard VHS recorder which were over £300 to buy. Which converted it. Yet my Panasonic DRM ES10 will record an NTSC tape if connected via scart to composite leads in the back of the recorder. Just made sure the VHS is set to AV2 and the Recorder to AV4. I did try a back up of one commercially bought tape with this method but got a message on the DVD recorder saying unable to record and it stopped about 20 seconds in. Only rarely happens. |
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I tried recording an NTSC tape from VHS to VHS ages ago and just got a black screen.
A film buff I know had a world standard VHS recorder which were over £300 to buy. Which converted it. Quote:
Yet my Panasonic DRM ES10 will record an NTSC tape if connected via scart to composite leads in the back of the recorder.
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I did try a back up of one commercially bought tape with this method but got a message on the DVD recorder saying unable to record and it stopped about 20 seconds in. Only rarely happens.
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