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Old 02-05-2013, 14:39
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There is no evidence other than "she said" and a confession. It's not difficult to see why you would plead guilty if so accused.

If the thing went to trial there would be graphic details of the allegations spelled out, it doesn't improve the perception of others if they were then deemed to be insufficient to prove beyond reasonable doubt. The difference here is that the whole basis of reasonable doubt is that the victim makes testimony. In their right mind, who would make such an allegation?

So people have never made false allegations to do with sexual matters? Or in a broader church, never lied on oath or simply told an untruth? I think the whole thing needs a serious revisiting because I don't see what benefit any of this has after such a long time.

I'm not saying I condone any of the things that have been alleged, nor am I asking for any kind of forgiveness towards the perpetrators, but I just feel that this process fails to stand up as justice as we know it and I cannot see clearly how it is of benefit to the victims. In all facets of life, we are encouraged to move on, with or without 'closure' because that in the longer term is how to heal physical and emotional hurt, simply the effects of time. I wonder who these actions really serve - is it really about the victims or is just about a very bizarre curiosity and need of the public or driven by the media to see 'celebrities' punished for long past indiscretions?
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Old 02-05-2013, 14:48
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this is a 83 year old with a heart condition and I don't see him surviving even a reduced sentence.
Well, even a small sentence for assaulting a nine year old is going to be stressful, given how the other inmates look on such things.
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Old 02-05-2013, 14:48
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There is no evidence other than "she said" and a confession. It's not difficult to see why you would plead guilty if so accused.
Are you talking about another case? There were 13 victims here. That's 13 people coming forward. Not just one "she said" accuser and one confession to make it go away. 13 people. 14 crimes.
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Old 02-05-2013, 14:55
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Well, even a small sentence for assaulting a nine year old is going to be stressful, given how the other inmates look on such things.
Given his age and profile he'd be segregated in prison.
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Old 02-05-2013, 15:02
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Apparently the parents knew of what had happened at the time but didn't report it to the police. That's quite shocking. Their silence might have allowed him to abuse more children.
Where can we find the information about the parents knowing, please?
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Old 02-05-2013, 15:13
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Where can we find the information about the parents knowing, please?
Aylett said most of the offences were "one-off" incidents. "In a number of cases the parents of the complainants were aware at the time of what was said to have taken place, but they took no action apart from the perfectly sensible one of keeping their children away from the defendant."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...al-abuse-girls
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Old 02-05-2013, 15:17
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Given his age and profile he'd be segregated in prison.
He would probably go straight to a sex offender's institute. I think that a custodial sentence is almost certain to be handed down, and I expect that he will die in prison. We're not talking about a single incident here, and he has confessed to sexually assaulting a nine year old girl. I'm pretty sure that that cannot be dealt with by a suspended sentence or community order.
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Old 02-05-2013, 15:28
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and maybe some of the parents said 'don't be daft, you must have imagined it'
So true. That's what mine would have said. Naivety, I think; they could not imagine anyone doing anything so disgraceful and would be bound to think that I'd got it wrong somehow.
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Old 02-05-2013, 15:42
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Plus, sadly, I think there is always the famous person element to the situation which again may cause the parents to have second thoughts about going to the police. It should never be like that but I can see why it sometimes is.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:01
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To think he had the perfect tv vehicle in that kids gameshow It's a Knockout to hide behind and commit his crimes, just appalling of him. I always give people the benefit of the doubt when accused of such crimes. He did the right thing in admitting his guilt, hopefully the victims can move on seeing justice having been done.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:09
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Feel very sorry for the victims, especially if they had to watch this earlier this year,
I wasn't impressed by that statement at the time as he appeared to be wallowing in self-pity to me, which is never an attractive sight. I was also annoyed by his ludicrous statement "I'm wondering why it's taken 30 and 40 years for the allegations to surface", since the Jimmy Savile case had already demonstrated that few victims of child sex abuse felt able to come forward about it decades ago - and most probably still don't.

I thought he came over as rather arrogant - which has been proven true now.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:18
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Can someone tell me, why this dirty peado is not in jail? And why has he got until june to swan about or maybe top himself on bail? Surley any non celeb would be in jail would they not?
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:22
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I'm really shocked by this, especially as he was so adamant a few weeks back that he'd clear his name.
I thought there were a few clues in his statement that he was putting on a performance, that was all. It was a good performance, but I still felt it was a bit OTT on the self-pity front considering the gravity of the charges.

I'm it makes me feel like the world of TV and Celebrity has been a hiding place for some awful people over the past few decades :
Celebrity = power and power gets abused. Of course there are bad people in TV and showbusiness. There are bad people everywhere in society. Statistically they are also going to be in showbusiness - but the question is whether celebrity worship is such a good thing since we don't really know who these people necessarily are.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:27
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Can someone tell me, why this dirty peado is not in jail? And why has he got until june to swan about or maybe top himself on bail? Surley any non celeb would be in jail would they not?
i agree with you, he should be locked up, I presume they are waiting for reports etc on his health and mental state (but why cant they wait whilst he is locked up?). I've got no sympathy for him he might be 81 but is guilty and should have his freedom taken away from him.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:52
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I wasn't impressed by that statement at the time as he appeared to be wallowing in self-pity to me, which is never an attractive sight. I was also annoyed by his ludicrous statement "I'm wondering why it's taken 30 and 40 years for the allegations to surface", since the Jimmy Savile case had already demonstrated that few victims of child sex abuse felt able to come forward about it decades ago - and most probably still don't.

I thought he came over as rather arrogant - which has been proven true now.
Yes, it's astonishing that people still feel the need to wonder, as so many seem to, judging by the comments they make.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:53
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i agree with you, he should be locked up, I presume they are waiting for reports etc on his health and mental state (but why cant they wait whilst he is locked up?). I've got no sympathy for him he might be 81 but is guilty and should have his freedom taken away from him.
I bet he will not go to prison cazzz.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:06
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I think this might end in tragedy?
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:10
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If he had been 40 I can understand him being playing the percentages and pleading for a reduced sentence but this is a 83 year old with a heart condition and I don't see him surviving even a reduced sentence.
How do we know he was telling the truth when he said he had a heart condition? The rest of his statement was a pack of lies designed to make us feel sorry for him.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:14
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I think this might end in tragedy?
Like what? Surely the tragedy is that he got away with it for so long.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:14
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What has he got to live for now? It sounds horrible thing to say. Im sure he's made financial arrangements over the years. Get up one morning decide to go for a long walk.....
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:20
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What has he got to live for now? It sounds horrible thing to say. Im sure he's made financial arrangements over the years. Get up one morning decide to go for a long walk.....
Child molester kills himself is not the definition of a tragedy in my book. Regrettable that he has not faced his sentence, yes, but he is now going to die in disgrace whatever happens to him, so at least the victims have some justice, which is more than can be said for the victims of Sir Jimmy Savile, who got away with it completely.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:20
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How do we know he was telling the truth when he said he had a heart condition? The rest of his statement was a pack of lies designed to make us feel sorry for him.
Indeed. He actually said IIRC in that Feb statement that this heart condition (if it exists) had been brought about by the stress generated by the 'terrible accusations' being levelled at him - ie. that up to that point he'd been a healthy 83yr old - so, in other words, his heart condition, if it exists at all, is a direct result of his own deviousness and something he brought on himself at the thought that his past was finally going to be exposed.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:43
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why did these accusers come out with this after all this time? why couldnt they have just forgotten about it and left things the way they were? hope clips from its a knockout are still continued to be shown.stuart hall laughing his head off is hilairious.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:45
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why did these accusers come out with this after all this time? why couldnt they have just forgotten about it and left things the way they were? hope clips from its a knockout are still continued to be shown.stuart hall laughing his head off is hilairious.
Indeed.

His victims should have just got over being sexually abused by him so we could all continue to enjoy his laughter while watching comedy hi-jinx.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:56
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why did these accusers come out with this after all this time? why couldnt they have just forgotten about it and left things the way they were? hope clips from its a knockout are still continued to be shown.stuart hall laughing his head off is hilairious.
Sexual abuse / rape can be scared for life.
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