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Old 05-05-2013, 21:41
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I'm sure Moffat has stated they are not the same Jenny.... I'll see if I can find the quote.

Anyway it's obvious they aren't the same.
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Old 05-05-2013, 21:50
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I don't know why they changed the script and had her come back to0 life if they wasn't going to bring her back sooner or later.

As for the Regenerating bit like with the 10th Doctors hand growing back you could say as she was in the first 12 hours (or whatever it was) her body has enough power in it to fix the problem without having to regenerate.
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Old 05-05-2013, 22:13
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I don't know why they changed the script and had her come back to0 life if they wasn't going to bring her back sooner or later.
Because so much of the story was about the Doctor accepting that he's a soldier like her, and about her accepting that she can be so much more than a soldier - like him. She had to be cut down, but it's a more positive note to think that she has the opportunity to take that forward and make a change to the universe in his footsteps.
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Old 05-05-2013, 22:51
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I don't know why they changed the script and had her come back to0 life if they wasn't going to bring her back sooner or later.

As for the Regenerating bit like with the 10th Doctors hand growing back you could say as she was in the first 12 hours (or whatever it was) her body has enough power in it to fix the problem without having to regenerate.
There was talk that she was to be 11ths companion until they decided on Amy, which is why Moffat asked to keep her alive
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Old 05-05-2013, 23:23
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I don't know why they changed the script and had her come back to0 life if they wasn't going to bring her back sooner or later.
I think Moffat has indicated he just thought it would be a more upbeat ending.

But perhaps Moffat, like the Doctor, lies
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:34
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I'm sure Moffat has stated they are not the same Jenny.... I'll see if I can find the quote.

Anyway it's obvious they aren't the same.
I'd like to see the quote. As it's not obvious at all.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:18
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Two women called Jenny.

Like Proper Dave and Other Dave we last saw saved in CAL's memory.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:18
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I'd like to see the quote. As it's not obvious at all.
Yes it is. If you actually paid any attention to The Doctor's Daughter, you'd know why she wasnt this Jenny. She didnt regenerate when she was revived at the end of that episode.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:52
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Yes it is. If you actually paid any attention to The Doctor's Daughter, you'd know why she wasnt this Jenny. She didnt regenerate when she was revived at the end of that episode.
Well while it is obvious they are not the same Jenny the fact she didn't regenerate at the end of The Doctors Daughter doesn't mean she couldn't have regenerated at some point since then.

If they wanted to bring the character back with a new actress they could and explain she has regenerated and in her Time Line 100's of years have passed since The Doctors Daughter after all from The Doctor's POV it was well over 300 years ago.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:16
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Well while it is obvious they are not the same Jenny the fact she didn't regenerate at the end of The Doctors Daughter doesn't mean she couldn't have regenerated at some point since then.

If they wanted to bring the character back with a new actress they could and explain she has regenerated and in her Time Line 100's of years have passed since The Doctors Daughter after all from The Doctor's POV it was well over 300 years ago.
If it was the same Jenny, they would have said so by now, but they haven't.......
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:31
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I'd like to see the quote. As it's not obvious at all.
Okay, they could be the same Jenny, provided she has a) developed the ability to regenerate, or something has happened to completely change her physical appearance, b) hidden her identity or had her identity stripped away from her, and c) whoever has changed her identity didn't think to change her name.

So, either her entire body, mind and personality have changed completely and nobody thought to change her name, or it's a completely different person. With the same name.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:54
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Okay, they could be the same Jenny, provided she has a) developed the ability to regenerate, or something has happened to completely change her physical appearance, b) hidden her identity or had her identity stripped away from her, and c) whoever has changed her identity didn't think to change her name.

So, either her entire body, mind and personality have changed completely and nobody thought to change her name, or it's a completely different person. With the same name.
Exactly. Also can't time lords sense other time lords? Or did I imagine that?
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:33
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They can except when something is causing interference like the Archangel Network (The Sound of Drums)
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:37
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They can except when something is causing interference like the Archangel Network (The Sound of Drums)
Thought so. S then if Jenny Flint was the Doc's daughter, he woulda sensed and we would know.
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Old 06-05-2013, 13:33
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If it was the same Jenny, they would have said so by now, but they haven't.......
As I said it obvious this Jenny is not the same Jenny but there is no reason they couldn't bring back a regenerated Jenny in the future

Okay, they could be the same Jenny, provided she has a) developed the ability to regenerate.
We don't know that she can't regenerate whatever fixed her wounds at the end of The Doctors Daughter looked like regeneration energy so there is no reason to think that she couldn't regenerate if she had to.
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Old 06-05-2013, 13:45
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As I said it obvious this Jenny is not the same Jenny but there is no reason they couldn't bring back a regenerated Jenny in the future
Why would they want to? She was hardly one of all time great Who characters. It would be like bringing back Dodo Chaplet, Melanie Bush or Adam Mitchell.
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Old 06-05-2013, 13:59
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Why would they want to? She was hardly one of all time great Who characters. It would be like bringing back Dodo Chaplet, Melanie Bush or Adam Mitchell.
I liked the Jenny-the-Doctor's-daughter character. And I think it would be interesting for them to run into each other again.
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Old 06-05-2013, 14:02
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We don't know that she can't regenerate whatever fixed her wounds at the end of The Doctors Daughter looked like regeneration energy so there is no reason to think that she couldn't regenerate if she had to.
Equally, we can't assume that she can. Which is why I went for 'developed the ability to'. Given that the Doctor knew what she was, genetically, I would have thought he would have known if conventional regeneration was a possibility.
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Old 06-05-2013, 14:06
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I liked the Jenny-the-Doctor's-daughter character. And I think it would be interesting for them to run into each other again.
Yet again we find ourselves on the same page, Granny!

I think she was great at doing what she was meant to in the story. She played the part of the youthful innocent, indoctrinated into war and loving it, enough to challenge the Doctor's preconceptions. I don't think having such a gung-ho violent companion works full-time though, which is why she, River, and the other Jenny work best as guests.
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Old 06-05-2013, 15:35
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Yes it is. If you actually paid any attention to The Doctor's Daughter, you'd know why she wasnt this Jenny. She didnt regenerate when she was revived at the end of that episode.
No it isn't. As James Fredrick says things happen off screen.
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Old 06-05-2013, 15:43
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Equally, we can't assume that she can. Which is why I went for 'developed the ability to'. Given that the Doctor knew what she was, genetically, I would have thought he would have known if conventional regeneration was a possibility.
TBF if The Doctor knew anything about her biology he would know she could "come back to life" the fact he thought she was dead forever shows he didn't know anything about her at all
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Old 06-05-2013, 15:44
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I liked the Jenny-the-Doctor's-daughter character. And I think it would be interesting for them to run into each other again.
^This.

"Me too" from me as well.
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Old 06-05-2013, 15:48
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TBF if The Doctor knew anything about her biology he would know she could "come back to life" the fact he thought she was dead forever shows he didn't know anything about her at all
So we're all agreed. It could be Jenny and it's good!
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Old 07-05-2013, 14:54
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I've been thinking it's the same Jenny for a while....yes yes, he kissed her, but a)he'd pretty much come back to life and he was happy and b)he doesn't have to know it's her. She, however, may well do...hence the slap! I think Madame Vastra and Jenny are a random pairing to keep bringing back and we know most things happen for a reason. From what we saw at the end of the Doctors Daughter doesn't mean anything....as others have said, we have no idea whether she can re-generate or not. Oh I so hope it is...
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Old 07-05-2013, 19:24
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So we're all agreed. It could be Jenny and it's good!
It could be Jenny, in the same way that the Doctor could have been the Master really since he regenerated into 11. Or that the whole NuWho series has been one long cheese-induced nightmare for Ace.

Both have absolutely no evidence for being true, and would be awful if they were.

But as it's fiction, they could be true, if someone writes it that way after the fact.
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