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Old 08-05-2013, 07:30
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For me the new era was defined by one moment in Eccleston's first episode...

The belching wheelie bin.

I dunno about pantomime but I'm afraid I'm one of the old boys who see the whole post 2005 remake as a sorry joke.
Ah yes, the earnest drama of the haunted house episode of The Chase. The breathtaking moment when Frankenstein's monster smashed up a dalek. It was broody, intense and emotional. Pinteresque.

And who could forget that master of disguise the third Doctor, whether dressed as a cleaning lady or milkman he never for a moment lost any gravitas.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:33
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Ah, right.
Certainly don't remember that.
Was he actually talking to the audience though, or was it just a badly framed shot and he was supposed to be talking to one of the another characters in the scene?
no it's real. It kind of fits with the story, which comes over like some grim Jacobean tragedy

and William Hartnell wishes us a happy christmas in The Daleks Master Plan
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:54
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Ah yes, the earnest drama of the haunted house episode of The Chase. The breathtaking moment when Frankenstein's monster smashed up a dalek. It was broody, intense and emotional. Pinteresque.

And who could forget that master of disguise the third Doctor, whether dressed as a cleaning lady or milkman he never for a moment lost any gravitas.
Also to JCR...

Of course the classic show wasn't entirely perfect -- could hardly be expected over a 20 odd year run. The first time I stopped watching Who was during Tom Baker's penultimate season BUT...

It seemed to me that the wheelie bin moment flagged the new producers' intentions: that Dr. Who should break the 4th wall and laugh at itself, winking at viewers so as to win mass audience appeal. And this never stopped throughout my time of watching the relaunched show. New Who is constantly dancing back and forth over a "meta" line of the show's internal reality and assumptions about what's culturally popular among the audience. Almost every line of dialogue is a self-conscious trailer moment. Classic Who stayed mostly (**MOSTLY**) within its internal reality. And despite low budget, often simplistic plotting and a prioritisation of narrative over character, had far more gravitas. For all the noise and thunder of the new show, it's TV fast food rich in saturated emotion.

The bin said, "this is Doctor Who dumbed down". And from the show's ratings it would seem the producers were right to take that approach. Original Who had become a dirty word amongh the general public; whereas now every commercial venture and his dog wants to be associated. I was at Aldbourne this weekend and was astonished to see someone (presumably the council) had put an awful pair of Dalek and TARDIS litter bins outside one of the pubs. That certainly would not have happened in the 1980s. Yet as a symbol, it's oh so appropriate.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:36
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I understand what you're saying and share some of that. The need for a regular stream of humour and the knowing winks to the audience from the script writers to show that we are all "in" on the essentially fantasy nature of the supposedly scifi bits does sometimes make me hanker for a bit of Pertwee style straightfacedness.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say it is dumb. or dumbed down.

The burping bin and farting Slitheen were early mistakes from a team who hadn't yet found their feet.

Ironically the Slitheen were in a story that Barry Letts could have commissioned.
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Old 08-05-2013, 20:01
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He's behind you....
Oh no he isn't...
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Old 08-05-2013, 21:07
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I understand what you're saying and share some of that. The need for a regular stream of humour and the knowing winks to the audience from the script writers to show that we are all "in" on the essentially fantasy nature of the supposedly scifi bits does sometimes make me hanker for a bit of Pertwee style straightfacedness.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say it is dumb. or dumbed down.

The burping bin and farting Slitheen were early mistakes from a team who hadn't yet found their feet.

Ironically the Slitheen were in a story that Barry Letts could have commissioned.
Cool reply. Are you trying to give this board a good name?
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Old 09-05-2013, 23:09
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Cool reply. Are you trying to give this board a good name?
Well I don't know about that. But it's nice to have a conversation about the show. Rather than just knocking blocks off each others posts.

I was somewhat taken aback by the show when it was revived in 2005. For example - the story happened in one episode! Where's the cliff hanger? 4x25 surely! And other things. But despite my general taste for third Doctor furrowed brows and first Doctor harrumphing , I have adjusted myself to the modern way. Doctor Who these days is often as smart as it ever was - in some ways smarter. But it would be nice if they played things with a straighter face.
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Old 10-05-2013, 13:06
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I just want to add that I agree with the OP, btw. Despite what I said in previous post. The Crimson Horror was pitched perfectly. Excellent episode. My taste for less humour is put aside for outstanding episodes like this.
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