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Old 06-05-2013, 19:46
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I have had Windows 8 on two computers since the release date. I have tried and tried to get on with the U.I. but over the weekend have finally relented and installed Classic Shell. I am simply wondering how many people feel like myself and have gone down the same route?

I don't think W8 is a bad OS, it clearly isn't. However, I just can't see any good reason for MS to foist this poor UI on the consumer. I have two friends who both have a W8 touchscreen AIO and neither of them use it as a touchscreen They both complain that using the AIO as a touchscreen feels awkward and uncomfortable and the finger marks on the screen drive them to distraction.

I think we all know why MS have gone down this route, i.e. the tablet market, but I really think they need to re-think their strategy. OEM's are certainly non too impressed with W8.

What do others think - is it time for a re-think?

P.S. as regards Classic Shell - great to have my PC back, though I have found on the HP Laptop the W8 UI often appears for a few seconds on start up before Classic Shell takes over?
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:03
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I am simply wondering how many people feel like myself and have gone down the same route?
According to their web site "Classic Shell has more than 4 million downloads".
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:26
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I have had Windows 8 on two computers since the release date. I have tried and tried to get on with the U.I. but over the weekend have finally relented and installed Classic Shell. I am simply wondering how many people feel like myself and have gone down the same route?

I don't think W8 is a bad OS, it clearly isn't. However, I just can't see any good reason for MS to foist this poor UI on the consumer. I have two friends who both have a W8 touchscreen AIO and neither of them use it as a touchscreen They both complain that using the AIO as a touchscreen feels awkward and uncomfortable and the finger marks on the screen drive them to distraction.

I think we all know why MS have gone down this route, i.e. the tablet market, but I really think they need to re-think their strategy. OEM's are certainly non too impressed with W8.

What do others think - is it time for a re-think?

P.S. as regards Classic Shell - great to have my PC back, though I have found on the HP Laptop the W8 UI often appears for a few seconds on start up before Classic Shell takes over?
They could also try a multi-touch trackpad with their AIO. I don't have Classic shell installed but I rarely see the Start screen anyway as my most commonly used applications are all on the taskbar.
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:26
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I think we all know why MS have gone down this route, i.e. the tablet market, but I really think they need to re-think their strategy. OEM's are certainly non too impressed with W8.
This - if they didn't do it now then they may have missed the boat with it. I expect as newer versions of Windows come out it will get more refined than it is now but MS knew they needed to get involved with Tablets/Phones and quickly before Android had everything to themselves. I think it will be a long road but MS have started along it now.
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:27
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According to their web site "Classic Shell has more than 4 million downloads".
4 million and 1 now! I just can't see what the start up UI brings to the party? I must say that I never found corners to be very reliable too, very hit and miss for me.
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:29
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This - if they didn't do it now then they may have missed the boat with it. I expect as newer versions of Windows come out it will get more refined than it is now but MS knew they needed to get involved with Tablets/Phones and quickly before Android had everything to themselves. I think it will be a long road but MS have started along it now.
I can see the logic for tablets and WP8 but it translates poorly to the Desktop.
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:32
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I can see the logic for tablets and WP8 but it translates poorly to the Desktop.
I've got to admit I've never really had an issue with it, although don't tend to use it either! I think the worst thing MS did was take out the Start button - if they had left that in there would be very little complaints from people I think. I expect that they did no think it would be quite as much a problem for a lot of people as it has turned out to be.
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Old 06-05-2013, 20:35
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I persevered with Windows 8 for a couple of months, but eventually relented and installed Classic Shell at the weekend .
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Old 06-05-2013, 21:37
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For me it's not even that I don't know how to use W8 as I do. I just don't particularly like the UI e.g. search, apps etc. the whole concept for Desktop leaves me cold.
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Old 06-05-2013, 22:47
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I switched from XP to 8 Pro 64-bit a month ago. The first thing I did was to get it as XP as possible. I've installed Winstep Nexus dock, Stardock Fences and click immediately on the Desktop tile after start-up. I hardly ever go back to the Modern UI. The apps are useless to me.
I don't miss the Start button and menu. I use Nexus for that. Just like I did with XP.
My brother doesn't even notice I've installed Windows 8 on my PC.
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Old 07-05-2013, 02:03
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just installed classic shell ,cheers for tip ,really don't know it was so bloody dam hard for windows to add optional start ,really think they left it out for the publicity tbh
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:31
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startisback I installed, it is not free mind you, but it was cheap enough. I preferred it over the classic shell.
I tried the UI for a week and that was enough.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:00
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FWIW there's a list of these utilities here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._for_Windows_8

The author of StartIsBack has said that it won't work with the forthcoming Windows 8.1 because Microsoft have removed the necessary internal code which StartIsBack uses. However, some of the other utilities have been tested with leaked pre-release versions of Windows 8.1 and are ok.

Microsoft have said they will restore the Start button in Windows 8.1 but this will only invoke the Metro tiles screen, not the conventional Start menu. Of course, it's possible that decision might change before Windows 8.1 is released.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:50
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I use W8 at home and W7 at work.

I can use both absolutely fine and the change for my home use doesn't bother me one iota.

I think some people are just being too pedantic / fussy over W8.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:06
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I still have Start8 on my machine but find I rarely use it as I've pinned most if what I regularly use to the Taskbar anyway. Personally I do find some of the Metro/WSA apps handy and personally prefer to boot up into that mode first. I consider it a defacto leisure mode, which I switch to when I need a break from serious work which pays the bills which it done from the desktop.

A large multi-touch trackpad is a must to use Metro mode smoothly IMHO.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:12
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I use W8 at home and W7 at work.

I can use both absolutely fine and the change for my home use doesn't bother me one iota.

I think some people are just being too pedantic / fussy over W8.
Very true, and if you look its the same moaners all the time.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:13
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P.S. as regards Classic Shell - great to have my PC back, though I have found on the HP Laptop the W8 UI often appears for a few seconds on start up before Classic Shell takes over?
I haven't used W8 yet, but I'm glad to see there's a Classic Shell, so I would use that. I hate the W8 look. On my Vista and W7 PCs at home, the first thing I did was change the Start Menu to the Classic one. I hate the newer look.

I use W8 at home and W7 at work.

I think some people are just being too pedantic / fussy over W8.
At my work, we're still using WinXP! The PCs are 2002 Pentium 4 models, as well.

As for W8, I can't see that tile format being standard for the workplace. You should've heard the outrage after they changed last year from Outlook 2002 to Outlook 2010 (which everyone hates) as it's moved elements all over the place and is just appalling. Why do they do that?!
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:16
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FWIW there's a list of these utilities here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._for_Windows_8

The author of StartIsBack has said that it won't work with the forthcoming Windows 8.1 because Microsoft have removed the necessary internal code which StartIsBack uses. However, some of the other utilities have been tested with leaked pre-release versions of Windows 8.1 and are ok.
Yeah, i noticed that, still it just means I will stay with 8 and not update to 8.1, unless Startisback is updated, anyway from what I have seen about windows 8.1 most of the updates are to do with the new UI, since i don't use the UI, no need to update, also, no one knows if the update will be free or not.

Microsoft have said they will restore the Start button in Windows 8.1 but this will only invoke the Metro tiles screen, not the conventional Start menu. Of course, it's possible that decision might change before Windows 8.1 is released.
i doubt it will change, MS wants us all to use a ring fenced system, where we can only get software from them, where we have to use a Ms account so they can track what we are doing with these Apps.

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Old 07-05-2013, 22:45
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Very true, and if you look its the same moaners all the time.
So please tell us what it brings to the Desktop? It doesn't even work properly as the corners are totally hit and miss. I have one W8 running Parallels as a VM and the other on a W8 Lappy with corners hit and miss on both machines. As for tiles and apps, certainly not for me thank you. You are right though it is the same moaners - Acer, Asus, HP, Lenovo, Dell etc. etc.
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