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Karen Brady needs a reality check
We all know about Karen Bradys rise to fame as the first business manager of a football club.
On the Apprentice, she clucks like an old hen when the argy bargy goes on between contestants during the tasks. I am not saying she is wrong but when ever has she been in a situation when there isnt a boss, as such, and others can and will argue and backbite. She has been a boss or working for a boss, but when there isnt a heirachy, and everyone is equal up to a point and being PM is accountable much like being on death row in Apprentice terms. At college on a BTec course I had to work along the same lines and it is nothing like working in a structured line of command where everyone has to achieve or answer to the next line of management. It is why there is so much team dissention going on. Try it Karen, it is very different and next time you purse your lips just remember that you got to the top with help from family connections and didnt have to climb the way you are so disdainful about, their behaviour is because they didnt have the big boss laying it on a plate for them as you had, in your initial days. |
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We all know about Karen Bradys rise to fame as the first business manager of a football club.
On the Apprentice, she clucks like an old hen when the argy bargy goes on between contestants during the tasks. I am not saying she is wrong but when ever has she been in a situation when there isnt a boss, as such, and others can and will argue and backbite. She has been a boss or working for a boss, but when there isnt a heirachy, and everyone is equal up to a point and being PM is accountable much like being on death row in Apprentice terms. At college on a BTec course I had to work along the same lines and it is nothing like working in a structured line of command where everyone has to achieve or answer to the next line of management. It is why there is so much team dissention going on. Try it Karen, it is very different and next time you purse your lips just remember that you got to the top with help from family connections and didnt have to climb the way you are so disdainful about, their behaviour is because they didnt have the big boss laying it on a plate for them as you had, in your initial days. |
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We all know about Karen Bradys rise to fame as the first business manager of a football club.
On the Apprentice, she clucks like an old hen when the argy bargy goes on between contestants during the tasks. I am not saying she is wrong but when ever has she been in a situation when there isnt a boss, as such, and others can and will argue and backbite. She has been a boss or working for a boss, but when there isnt a heirachy, and everyone is equal up to a point and being PM is accountable much like being on death row in Apprentice terms. At college on a BTec course I had to work along the same lines and it is nothing like working in a structured line of command where everyone has to achieve or answer to the next line of management. It is why there is so much team dissention going on. Try it Karen, it is very different and next time you purse your lips just remember that you got to the top with help from family connections and didnt have to climb the way you are so disdainful about, their behaviour is because they didnt have the big boss laying it on a plate for them as you had, in your initial days. |
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BIB - I don't think that's true. I think she's got where she's got via hard work and talent. you can read about her early career here - not a family connection in sight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karren_Brady
![]() Personally I've always been rather suspicious of the David Sullivan connection - just why did he place £2million of advertising with her account in only 6 months And then buy her her own footy team and then appoint her vice chair of West Ham
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Well her dad was ex chairman of Swindon Town and a director at Portsmouth - so not exactly without connections
![]() Personally I've always been rather suspicious of the David Sullivan connection - just why did he place £2million of advertising with her account in only 6 months And then buy her her own footy team and then appoint her vice chair of West Ham![]() is supposed to mean but it seems obvious to me that my interpretation of the events is slightly closer to the real events than yours
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This kind of thread cropped up every year since she joined TA. No one had ever made similar snide criticisms about Nick, like: "Look at Nick, pouting and clucking in disapproval. He wouldn't be on The Apprentice if it wasn't for his friendship with Lord Sugar. He's not even a businessman as he has always been a public relations consultant, so what does he know about running a business?"
Seriously, it's pathetic. |
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This kind of thread cropped up every year since she joined TA. No one had ever made similar snide criticisms about Nick, like: "Look at Nick, pouting and clucking in disapproval. He wouldn't be on The Apprentice if it wasn't for his friendship with Lord Sugar. He's not even a businessman as he has always been a public relations consultant, so what does he know about running a business?"
Seriously, it's pathetic. |
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I don't agree at all. I've worked in many teams made up of people who are all at the same or similar level and have never had to deal with the sort of crazy behaviour these people show. Adults shouldn't need a boss to perform professionally. Respectful debate is one thing - but the backstabbing swearing type behaviour the Apprentice candidates show is not what I ever experienced.
Many of them wouldn't last 5 minutes in most of the meeting rooms I've been in over the years. I often wonder if it's because most of them are self employed and so not used to having to work in a team |
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100% agree. I work in a very cut throat industry made up of big egos and strong personalities and I think the way many of The Apprentice lot act is unprofessional, immature and, quite frankly, pathetic.
Many of them wouldn't last 5 minutes in most of the meeting rooms I've been in over the years. I often wonder if it's because most of them are self employed and so not used to having to work in a team |
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Karen Bradys father was a colleague of David Gold, who was Birmingham FC chairman as well as David Sullivan's help in buying football clubs and placing her as manager.
She really didnt do it the way she would have people believe. It was given her on a plate. Saying that, from then it was all down to her and while she has done very well for herself, the image she would like us to have of her is not quite the truth. It is the things she leaves out of her profile which are the most interesting.Best to check several sources rather than just Wiki which will then give a broader view. My point is that she is quite clearly condescending towards those during a task in situations which she has not been asked to do in her own career. Others may have a different experience from mine but there were seldom times that full agreement was made with a leaderless team, add the bait of a quarter of a million pounds, then of course it heightens the stress levels. |
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Even though Karren Brady's dad is a business man, that's no reason to criticise Karren
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Even though Karren Brady's dad is a business man, that's no reason to criticise Karren
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Karen Bradys father was a colleague of David Gold, who was Birmingham FC chairman as well as David Sullivan's help in buying football clubs and placing her as manager.
She really didnt do it the way she would have people believe. It was given her on a plate. Saying that, from then it was all down to her and while she has done very well for herself, the image she would like us to have of her is not quite the truth. It is the things she leaves out of her profile which are the most interesting.Best to check several sources rather than just Wiki which will then give a broader view. My point is that she is quite clearly condescending towards those during a task in situations which she has not been asked to do in her own career. Others may have a different experience from mine but there were seldom times that full agreement was made with a leaderless team, add the bait of a quarter of a million pounds, then of course it heightens the stress levels. She’s the proverbial Boadicea of the scythed chariot riding down those she does not favour. Karren Brady often makes LS superfluous in the Boardroom so maybe sees herself as being in training for The Apprentice top job one day. She could certainly afford it. |
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This kind of thread cropped up every year since she joined TA. No one had ever made similar snide criticisms about Nick, like: "Look at Nick, pouting and clucking in disapproval. He wouldn't be on The Apprentice if it wasn't for his friendship with Lord Sugar. He's not even a businessman as he has always been a public relations consultant, so what does he know about running a business?"
Seriously, it's pathetic. Hastily edited to add: the above comment refers to general comments I've seen about her all over the place for years, not specifically to the OP. |
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Indeed. It's like Misogyny 101.
Hastily edited to add: the above comment refers to general comments I've seen about her all over the place for years, not specifically to the OP. My comments refer only to Karren as an individual person and not her gender. |
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Karren Brady needs a good seeing to.
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Indeed. It's like Misogyny 101.
Hastily edited to add: the above comment refers to general comments I've seen about her all over the place for years, not specifically to the OP. |
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I'm not a big fan of Karren's - she's OK, but she's not Margaret - but she is on this week's You're Fired, which I saw filmed last night. Not everything will be aired, of course, but to be fair to her she came across well and made insightful comments.
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I'm not a big fan of Karren's - she's OK, but she's not Margaret - but she is on this week's You're Fired, which I saw filmed last night. Not everything will be aired, of course, but to be fair to her she came across well and made insightful comments.
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One thing worth remembering about Karren: she is used to dealing with Premiership footballers, whose egos are larger even than Apprentice candidates'.
My observation about Karren from last night is more that it was noticeable that she had the fired candidate's welfare in mind - a couple of times early on when they were struggling a bit, when they cut to VT clips Karren would always look across and give them an encouraging smile or mouth "You OK?" I guess my point is that it that it's hard to see Sugar ever putting his metaphorical arm around a candidate, whereas Karren is a much more empathetic person than we are necessarily shown in the programme itself. I just found those little off-camera moments - which as viewers we never get to see - interesting. I came out of the studio thinking much more of her as a result. |
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We all know about Karen Bradys rise to fame as the first business manager of a football club.
On the Apprentice, she clucks like an old hen when the argy bargy goes on between contestants during the tasks. I am not saying she is wrong but when ever has she been in a situation when there isnt a boss, as such, and others can and will argue and backbite. She has been a boss or working for a boss, but when there isnt a heirachy, and everyone is equal up to a point and being PM is accountable much like being on death row in Apprentice terms. At college on a BTec course I had to work along the same lines and it is nothing like working in a structured line of command where everyone has to achieve or answer to the next line of management. It is why there is so much team dissention going on. Try it Karen, it is very different and next time you purse your lips just remember that you got to the top with help from family connections and didnt have to climb the way you are so disdainful about, their behaviour is because they didnt have the big boss laying it on a plate for them as you had, in your initial days. |
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Yeah we all know women can't possibly achieve anything on their own merits. It's all because if their looks and obviously because they've all given the boss a quickie.
I'm a female solicitor working in a very male-dominated environment and I am sick to the back teeth of this sexist bullshit. The worst part is that women are guilty of it too! "She only got promoted because the boss fancies her..." |
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Indeed. It's like Misogyny 101.
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I'm very disheartened by the mysogyny shown on DS forums generally. The sad thing is that women seem to be just as guilty of it as men, if not more.
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Yeah we all know women can't possibly achieve anything on their own merits. It's all because if their looks and obviously because they've all given the boss a quickie.
I'm a female solicitor working in a very male-dominated environment and I am sick to the back teeth of this sexist bullshit. The worst part is that women are guilty of it too! "She only got promoted because the boss fancies her..." |
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I have criticized Karren for the above reasons.
I worked in a male environment in the Probation Service and Yes, sexism was rife and nasty. So then, you would want a women to do better than that, to do it on her own, confront sexism without being sexist herself. I think by not acknowleging her help up the managerial ladder she is not better than men, maybe not by sexism but by accepting the flawed leg ups of the old boys networking or family connections and then let it be known she is the architect of her own success. Sorry but I want women to be better than that or if not be honest about it. |
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I have criticized Karren for the above reasons.
I worked in a male environment in the Probation Service and Yes, sexism was rife and nasty. So then, you would want a women to do better than that, to do it on her own, confront sexism without being sexist herself. I think by not acknowleging her help up the managerial ladder she is not better than men, maybe not by sexism but by accepting the flawed leg ups of the old boys networking or family connections and then let it be known she is the architect of her own success. Sorry but I want women to be better than that or if not be honest about it. |
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And then buy her her own footy team