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But men get help up the managerial ladder too for the very same reasons, and where's all the criticism directed at them? She isn't claiming she's better than men, is she? She may have had help, but it seems to me that she's where she is now largely because she's good at her job. Kung Fu Meerkat's comments above reflect my feelings on this subject.
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Yeah we all know women can't possibly achieve anything on their own merits. It's all because if their looks and obviously because they've all given the boss a quickie.
I'm a female solicitor working in a very male-dominated environment and I am sick to the back teeth of this sexist bullshit. The worst part is that women are guilty of it too! "She only got promoted because the boss fancies her..." It works both ways. On this thread, it is about one woman boss only who by her own admission has had several PAs leave quite quickly. |
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I think some are missing the point it's not about Karren being a woman it's about her having connections which got her into Sachi and Sachi without a degree and also which got her into working with very rich successful businessmen. I would be the saying the same about a man and there are countless men no doubt who have achieved via the same methods. It isn't about what you know any more - wonder if it ever really has been it's about who you know and anybody who doesn't believe that is naive. I'm a woman and went back into education in my 20s earning a Master's degree, studying with Oxford etc. I also have a teaching qualification and can honestly say I totally regret spending thousands of pounds on my education when it isn't about merit. I'm unfortunate that I wasn't born into a rich family and can't think of one single person who I can network with to get me work - that's the difference and there are many more people in the same boat who can't get work for those reasons. A 'strong' man or woman is one who achieves in the face of adversity not one who is assisted. After losing my husband last year, I have still go on to pass my teaching qualification and maybe I'm biased but THAT'S called being strong, not having lots of money and means around you where you can be made to look good.
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I think some are missing the point it's not about Karren being a woman it's about her having connections which got her into Sachi and Sachi without a degree and also which got her into working with very rich successful businessmen. I would be the saying the same about a man and there are countless men no doubt who have achieved via the same methods. It isn't about what you know any more - wonder if it ever really has been it's about who you know and anybody who doesn't believe that is naive. I'm a woman and went back into education in my 20s earning a Master's degree, studying with Oxford etc. I also have a teaching qualification and can honestly say I totally regret spending thousands of pounds on my education when it isn't about merit. I'm unfortunate that I wasn't born into a rich family and can't think of one single person who I can network with to get me work - that's the difference and there are many more people in the same boat who can't get work for those reasons. A 'strong' man or woman is one who achieves in the face of adversity not one who is assisted. After losing my husband last year, I have still go on to pass my teaching qualification and maybe I'm biased but THAT'S called being strong, not having lots of money and means around you where you can be made to look good.
However, the comment about not having a degree is rather less relevant to people over 40 who started their careers in the 1980s, when degrees were the exception rather than the norm. Alan Sugar never had a degree or even an A Level to his name (maybe not even an O Level). He never had connections either, of course. However, I and lots of others are sick of the constant Karren-bashing on DS. And yes, I believe it's largely because she's female (there are huge numbers of successful businessmen from wealthy families with connections but no-one seems to be criticising them). As I said earlier, connections or not, she wouldn't be where she is now if she wasn't good at her job. |
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First of all, I want to say how sorry I am to hear about you losing your husband last year. I'm also sorry that you regret spending all that money on your education and hope that it will come good for you in the end.
However, the comment about not having a degree is rather less relevant to people over 40 who started their careers in the 1980s, when degrees were the exception rather than the norm. Alan Sugar never had a degree or even an A Level to his name (maybe not even an O Level). He never had connections either, of course. However, I and lots of others are sick of the constant Karren-bashing on DS. And yes, I believe it's largely because she's female (there are huge numbers of successful businessmen from wealthy families with connections but no-one seems to be criticising them). As I said earlier, connections or not, she wouldn't be where she is now if she wasn't good at her job. |
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We all know about Karen Bradys rise to fame as the first business manager of a football club.
On the Apprentice, she clucks like an old hen when the argy bargy goes on between contestants during the tasks. I am not saying she is wrong but when ever has she been in a situation when there isnt a boss, as such, and others can and will argue and backbite. She has been a boss or working for a boss, but when there isnt a heirachy, and everyone is equal up to a point and being PM is accountable much like being on death row in Apprentice terms. At college on a BTec course I had to work along the same lines and it is nothing like working in a structured line of command where everyone has to achieve or answer to the next line of management. It is why there is so much team dissention going on. Try it Karen, it is very different and next time you purse your lips just remember that you got to the top with help from family connections and didnt have to climb the way you are so disdainful about, their behaviour is because they didnt have the big boss laying it on a plate for them as you had, in your initial days. |
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(there are huge numbers of successful businessmen from wealthy families with connections but no-one seems to be criticising them)
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Sure it is unfair that some people have advantages in life like private education and connections to get them into places but it happens everywhere. It might get you in the door but if you are no good at a job you will soom be heading back out again. Karren has played the game and done well for herself. Its of no consequence to me and makes her no different to a lot of other people.
I'm more concerned that we have a whole government of priviledged people. That's far worse than a few individuals that have climbed the corporate ladder due to their connections. |
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