I've spent the last few days in one shop after another looking at amps, TV's DVD recorders, etc. and I'm getting a bit mesmerised!
I really wanted to buy the Onkyo but I just can't find a suitable stand that will accommodate it with the other equipment. The setup needs to go in the corner of my room flanked by a radiator and window on one side and the fireplace and hearth on the other so width is a problem. I can't put the centre speaker in front of the telly as the TV stand is too shallow so, unless anyone can suggest a different method, it needs to go on one of the shelves in the stand.
I looked at the slimline AV receivers, the Pioneer VSX-S300 and the Marantz NR1403. I found reviews on both that put me off a bit.
A question I do have is what is 'Multi-channel Input' and do I need it? The spec on Richer Sounds for both says they don't have this even though they do Dolby HD and DTS HD.
I saw a review for the Marantz whereby someone said...
"I must say it was a bit confusing with the Audio Return Channel and the Standby Pass through features.
Standby pass through in this unit is too complicated you can either
1.pick the last input you used
2.specific input all the time
So if you want to just watch TV/play a game w/o surround sound and the receiver is set to a different input you have to
1.turn on the receiver
2.then select the input
3.then you can turn off the receiver.
If you don't do this no image will come on.
Adversely
If Passthrough is set to specific input then that's all it will passthrough and you have to turn the receiver on for all other inputs."
and another one wrote...
"The drawback is that I had hoped the "pass through" feature would allow me to watch TV with the receiver off when I wanted to. Unfortunately the receiver forgets that it is supposed to do pass through from the cable box to the TV. I get "no signal" when the receiver is turned off. And when I turn it on, it switches to "TV sourced" signal. The interactions (no doubt HDMI control driven) are extremely annoying and there are no settings available to make it behave."
This sounds like something that would annoy me too. Are they all like this?
Some people say the Pioneer's sound isn't too good, echo-like I think is the problem.
Any avice/suggestions would be useful.
I really wanted to buy the Onkyo but I just can't find a suitable stand that will accommodate it with the other equipment. The setup needs to go in the corner of my room flanked by a radiator and window on one side and the fireplace and hearth on the other so width is a problem. I can't put the centre speaker in front of the telly as the TV stand is too shallow so, unless anyone can suggest a different method, it needs to go on one of the shelves in the stand.
I looked at the slimline AV receivers, the Pioneer VSX-S300 and the Marantz NR1403. I found reviews on both that put me off a bit.
A question I do have is what is 'Multi-channel Input' and do I need it? The spec on Richer Sounds for both says they don't have this even though they do Dolby HD and DTS HD.
I saw a review for the Marantz whereby someone said...
"I must say it was a bit confusing with the Audio Return Channel and the Standby Pass through features.
Standby pass through in this unit is too complicated you can either
1.pick the last input you used
2.specific input all the time
So if you want to just watch TV/play a game w/o surround sound and the receiver is set to a different input you have to
1.turn on the receiver
2.then select the input
3.then you can turn off the receiver.
If you don't do this no image will come on.
Adversely
If Passthrough is set to specific input then that's all it will passthrough and you have to turn the receiver on for all other inputs."
and another one wrote...
"The drawback is that I had hoped the "pass through" feature would allow me to watch TV with the receiver off when I wanted to. Unfortunately the receiver forgets that it is supposed to do pass through from the cable box to the TV. I get "no signal" when the receiver is turned off. And when I turn it on, it switches to "TV sourced" signal. The interactions (no doubt HDMI control driven) are extremely annoying and there are no settings available to make it behave."
This sounds like something that would annoy me too. Are they all like this?
Some people say the Pioneer's sound isn't too good, echo-like I think is the problem.
Any avice/suggestions would be useful.




Mind you not all centre speakers are that big, or even have a flat top, to enable them to be used as a speaker stand. And of course it only really works if the TV is still at a sensible viewing height.
I have turned off all vestiges of HDMI control on my kit so I stay in control. If I turn it on it is impossible to play an audio CD on my Blu-Ray player without having the telly on. If I put an audio CD in the player it says "ohh a disk, he must want the telly on". So it sends a wake up call to the TV which obligingly turns itself on. But I don't want the telly on, it's an audio CD after all, no pictures. So I turn the TV off. The TV thinks, "ohh he doesn't want to watch this disk so I'll turn the player off". And so the TV sends an OFF command to the player which then turns off. So I turn it back on to listen to the CD, well you can guess what happens next 