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Old 12-05-2013, 15:25
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Is it? It seems that way to me. everything about it these days say's to me it already been done. Last night episode with the Cybermen was jast a plain rip off of the Borg from Star Trek only with a lousy story. This series has been the worst so far, I carn't even remember any of them. Does anyone else think it's running out of Steam?
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:26
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On the contrary.....its on FIRRRRE
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:28
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Quality is not important when it is not on air enough in the 50th year to gather any real steam.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:29
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Before we continue, can we just check to ask if this is a parody thread or not? No offense.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:31
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Is it? It seems that way to me. everything about it these days say's to me it already been done. Last night episode with the Cybermen was jast a plain rip off of the Borg from Star Trek only with a lousy story. This series has been the worst so far, I carn't even remember any of them. Does anyone else think it's running out of Steam?
No, Doctor Who is not running out of steam (imo). I'm loving the current series, and don't get the negativity I see on this forum one bit.

Oh, and the Borg are a rip off of the Cybermen, not the other way round.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:33
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Before we continue, can we just check to ask if this is a parody thread or not? No offense.
I deserve that. *hangs head

On topic, I agree with Meddlingmonkey.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:34
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Is it? It seems that way to me. everything about it these days say's to me it already been done. Last night episode with the Cybermen was jast a plain rip off of the Borg from Star Trek only with a lousy story. This series has been the worst so far, I can't even remember any of them. Does anyone else think it's running out of Steam?
So you don't remember...

The one with all the Daleks, cameos from old Daleks and Skaro
The one with Dinosaurs on a spaceship, a greedy genocidal maniac and dead silurians
The western one with the wronged Cyborg
The Earth one with the cubes and the sonic screwdriver ending? Oh, and the Brigadier's Daughter
The one where the Ponds leave, the weeping angels set up a battery farm of humans and the statue of liberty moves
The one with the snowmen the great intelligence the new Tardis interior and opening credits, the Paternoster gang and dead Victorian Clara
the one with people being snatched into the wi fi and fed to the Great Intelligence, and the anti grav bike + modern clara
the one where aliens trade based on emotions and memories instead of money, and all the singing
the one on a submarine with the lone ice warrior who becomes interested in the cold war and the idea of mutually assured destruction after thinking his race are no more?
The one that started out as a ghost story and ended up as a love story
The one with the tardis interior, big friendly button, mazes illusions time distortions and history rewriting
the one with the prehistoric leech, the paternoster gang again, an abusive mother/ daughter relationship, kidnapped Clara and poisoned Doctor?
The one with the new cybermen you seem to remember.

If your basis for disliking this series is that you cant remember the episodes, I suggest you go consult a therapist about your poor memory
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:40
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Who needs steam? Steam is boring.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:42
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Is it? It seems that way to me. everything about it these days say's to me it already been done. Last night episode with the Cybermen was jast a plain rip off of the Borg from Star Trek only with a lousy story. This series has been the worst so far, I carn't even remember any of them. Does anyone else think it's running out of Steam?
And the Borg were a rip-off of the Cybermen. Trek and Who have ripped each other off for decades, this is nothing new.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:43
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So you don't remember...

The one with all the Daleks, cameos from old Daleks and Skaro
The one with Dinosaurs on a spaceship, a greedy genocidal maniac and dead silurians
The western one with the wronged Cyborg
The Earth one with the cubes and the sonic screwdriver ending? Oh, and the Brigadier's Daughter
The one where the Ponds leave, the weeping angels set up a battery farm of humans and the statue of liberty moves
The one with the snowmen the great intelligence the new Tardis interior and opening credits, the Paternoster gang and dead Victorian Clara
the one with people being snatched into the wi fi and fed to the Great Intelligence, and the anti grav bike + modern clara
the one where aliens trade based on emotions and memories instead of money, and all the singing
the one on a submarine with the lone ice warrior who becomes interested in the cold war and the idea of mutually assured destruction after thinking his race are no more?
The one that started out as a ghost story and ended up as a love story
The one with the tardis interior, big friendly button, mazes illusions time distortions and history rewriting
the one with the prehistoric leech, the paternoster gang again, an abusive mother/ daughter relationship, kidnapped Clara and poisoned Doctor?
The one with the new cybermen you seem to remember.

If your basis for disliking this series is that you cant remember the episodes, I suggest you go consult a therapies about your poor memory
Summarised series 7 is indeed very very very awesome

When the comlete box set is released i cannot wait to rewatch it all again
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:46
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If it still had the 'steam' to continue after Peter Kay in a fat suit and a clingy, selfish b***h being given her own clone Doctor to make babies with, then the engine is unstoppable...with or without it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 15:48
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Personally I tend to agree.

It's been seven years of essentially the same format. Classic Who made big much needed changes at that point to keep the series evolving.

Also,the problem with 50 years back history is that if you milk that rich vein though it is - there is a negative attached. Its hard to steer a path between accessible to all and geek fest.

I liked last night but be fair the real value in the script was the rich history mined - not the story itself.

In some ways a total reboot, regrettably, may be the surest way to secure a stable wide viewing base from here on.
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Old 12-05-2013, 16:05
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Summarised series 7 is indeed very very very awesome

When the comlete box set is released i cannot wait to rewatch it all again
I think series 7 will fair far better when watched as a whole. I think the long breaks have actually caused it to lose a bit of momentum that would've happened with the change over to Clara considering that she was "technically" introduced in the first episode of the season.
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Old 12-05-2013, 16:07
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It is dumbed down tripe for a modern audience.

I wish they would bring back more science into the programme.

I no longer bother to buy the box sets as the quality is not present.
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Old 12-05-2013, 16:08
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I think series 7 will fair far better when watched as a whole. I think the long breaks have actually caused it to lose a bit of momentum that would've happened with the change over to Clara considering that she was "technically" introduced in the first episode of the season.
Personally i think so too...I think series 7 seen as awhole piece will present a more fuller picture...the long waits an the shorter feel for the season really will paint something different when watched as a whole

I think that is the main criticism for series 7 really...the gaps which make it feel a bit colder and disjointed in appearence But yeah
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Old 12-05-2013, 16:16
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So you don't remember...

The one with all the Daleks, cameos from old Daleks and Skaro
The one with Dinosaurs on a spaceship, a greedy genocidal maniac and dead silurians
The western one with the wronged Cyborg
The Earth one with the cubes and the sonic screwdriver ending? Oh, and the Brigadier's Daughter
The one where the Ponds leave, the weeping angels set up a battery farm of humans and the statue of liberty moves
The one with the snowmen the great intelligence the new Tardis interior and opening credits, the Paternoster gang and dead Victorian Clara
the one with people being snatched into the wi fi and fed to the Great Intelligence, and the anti grav bike + modern clara
the one where aliens trade based on emotions and memories instead of money, and all the singing
the one on a submarine with the lone ice warrior who becomes interested in the cold war and the idea of mutually assured destruction after thinking his race are no more?
The one that started out as a ghost story and ended up as a love story
The one with the tardis interior, big friendly button, mazes illusions time distortions and history rewriting
the one with the prehistoric leech, the paternoster gang again, an abusive mother/ daughter relationship, kidnapped Clara and poisoned Doctor?
The one with the new cybermen you seem to remember.

If your basis for disliking this series is that you cant remember the episodes, I suggest you go consult a therapist about your poor memory
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Old 12-05-2013, 16:24
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I think, during the first four seasons, there was a feeling of momentum. It felt as though the show was growing its fan base and viewers, expanding its universe (Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood) and generally building towards something.

I don't really get that with the show now. It suddenly feels very small and people just aren't talking about it anymore. I think there are various reasons for this - the on-off production and ever changing schedule, and ever decreasing PR.

But I think much of it is to do with the writing - the mere fact that Matt Smith's companions seem to get dropped home at the end of each adventure (Amy and Rory, and now Clara too) creates a disconnect in the Doctor/companion relationship that I don't feel works and harms the show.

Over all, I think its gone from must-see TV, the sort of show that could go head-to-head with Ant'n'Dec (and win hands down) to a show that people record and watch at their leisure at some point later in the week.
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Old 12-05-2013, 17:26
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After seven years.....yes I think it's done well. But I do think it's lost the magic and novelty of the earlier years.
BUT, as an earlier poster mentioned, after seven years of the Classic Series - it had lost viewers and popularity. That's when they introduced Pertwee & UNIT in their new-look 'colour' series!
OOer - I feel old now.....I remember those days!
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Old 12-05-2013, 18:36
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Yes it's lost steam, but Dr Who is perhaps the only TV show in the world that can regenerate successfully.

But not a new show-runner, the basic format needs to change. Longer running time, 60minutes, maybe even 90 minutes. 30 minutes would work too as part of an evening line-up of light entertainment.

Unfortunately the modern BBC are too tied to making money to consider any of that, so 44 minutes is here to stay. It's no longer enough.
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Old 12-05-2013, 19:00
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For me it just doesn't have the wow factor in any of this latest run of episodes. It's still better than most stuff on tv but it's not as good as it can be.

I really like Matt & Jenna but they need better material to work with.
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Old 12-05-2013, 20:11
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Personally I tend to agree.

It's been seven years of essentially the same format. Classic Who made big much needed changes at that point to keep the series evolving.

Also,the problem with 50 years back history is that if you milk that rich vein though it is - there is a negative attached. Its hard to steer a path between accessible to all and geek fest.

I liked last night but be fair the real value in the script was the rich history mined - not the story itself.

In some ways a total reboot, regrettably, may be the surest way to secure a stable wide viewing base from here on.
What, you mean like the regular 7+ million viewers they already have as a steady audience?
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Old 12-05-2013, 20:15
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Nope.
All'swell.
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Old 12-05-2013, 20:16
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No, Doctor Who is not running out of steam (imo). I'm loving the current series, and don't get the negativity I see on this forum one bit.

Oh, and the Borg are a rip off of the Cybermen, not the other way round.
I concur number 1 !!! ..... Star Trek used a lot of Dr Who .. Remember the first five doctors actors names being used in an episode !! So no Dr Who has gone from strength to strength thus year ...
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Old 12-05-2013, 20:51
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Who needs steam? Steam is boring.
It needs to run on nuclear!
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Old 12-05-2013, 22:41
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