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Old 14-05-2013, 19:38
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I made a thread about this earlier, but having had a good think I've changed my mind about wanting a TV with 'Smart' capabilities - I'm not against it but it is no longer essential as we'd prefer to buy and use Apple TV for what we want.

Our main concerns are with image quality, 1080p and Freview HD.

We've found one TV which we really like (it is a Smart TV but it is a good price and reviews seem pretty positive) , the only thing really concerning me is it's 50Hz refresh rate, however I don't even know if we will notice it, just if we can get a better TV at the same price we would obviously want to.

It is: http://www.richersounds.com/product/...b/tosh-32rl958
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Old 14-05-2013, 23:53
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You're not going to get a decent quality Full HD TV for 400. I wouldn't touch Toshiba with a bargepole personally as they have lousy reviews in Which?

Only 2 TVs spring to mind with reasonably decent picture quality at around this low price point, with Full HD and Freeview HD. 32 inch LG 32LS570T and that'll cost you 401 from Play.com. 37 inch Panasonic TX-L37E5B but that'll cost you 475.

You need to up your budget and then consider one of the following TVs: Samsung UE37ES5500, Samsung UE32ES6300 , LG 37LS570T.
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Old 15-05-2013, 09:41
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You're not going to get a decent quality Full HD TV for 400. I wouldn't touch Toshiba with a bargepole personally as they have lousy reviews in Which?

Only 2 TVs spring to mind with reasonably decent picture quality at around this low price point, with Full HD and Freeview HD. 32 inch LG 32LS570T and that'll cost you 401 from Play.com. 37 inch Panasonic TX-L37E5B but that'll cost you 475.

You need to up your budget and then consider one of the following TVs: Samsung UE37ES5500, Samsung UE32ES6300 , LG 37LS570T.
Thank you. Weird as the Toshiba we found seems to have pretty good reviews. We can't afford above 400, and considering we're going from a TV thats at least 10 years old, and 20" I think most TV's will impress us We just want to get the best we can for our money.
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Old 15-05-2013, 10:07
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http://www.richersounds.com/compareproducts

Not sure you can see those, but I've found the Panasonic you suggested for 400 on Richer Sounds: http://www.richersounds.com/product/.../pana-txl37e5b

Only when I compared it with the Toshiba I'd found: http://www.richersounds.com/product/...b/tosh-32rl958 from the comparison chart, it seemed the Toshiba was better with: (USB recording and full web browser - though I'm not sure what they mean by full web browser).

Why would the panasonic be better, if you don't mind me asking?

EDIT - I've actually measured the space we'd be putting the TV and 37" would really be pushing it, so I think we have settled on a 32". We'd like to go bigger but that to us seems like a good enough size and a big upgrade from our 20" Tv.
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Old 15-05-2013, 10:54
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http://www.richersounds.com/compareproducts

Not sure you can see those, but I've found the Panasonic you suggested for 400 on Richer Sounds: http://www.richersounds.com/product/.../pana-txl37e5b

Only when I compared it with the Toshiba I'd found: http://www.richersounds.com/product/...b/tosh-32rl958 from the comparison chart, it seemed the Toshiba was better with: (USB recording and full web browser - though I'm not sure what they mean by full web browser).

Why would the panasonic be better, if you don't mind me asking?
Because it's a 'proper' make TV from one of the top two manufacturers, as opposed to what is most likely just a cheap Vestel badged set.

Web browsing is pretty disappointing on a TV, best to use a computer for it.
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Old 15-05-2013, 11:05
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Because it's a 'proper' make TV from one of the top two manufacturers, as opposed to what is most likely just a cheap Vestel badged set.

Web browsing is pretty disappointing on a TV, best to use a computer for it.
Thank you.

How about this one? I've looked around and it seems to have solid reviews: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...1135456/review

For 100 more I could get the http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue3...navAction=jump but as you say Web Browsing is disappointing we may as well just get Apple TV.
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Old 15-05-2013, 11:12
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Thank you.

How about this one? I've looked around and it seems to have solid reviews: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...1135456/review

For 100 more I could get the http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue3...navAction=jump but as you say Web Browsing is disappointing we may as well just get Apple TV.
Remember Apple TV on its own doesn't have the catch-up services like iPlayer, 4OD etc.http://www.apple.com/uk/appletv/whats-on/
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Old 15-05-2013, 11:53
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Thank you.

How about this one? I've looked around and it seems to have solid reviews: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...1135456/review

For 100 more I could get the http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue3...navAction=jump but as you say Web Browsing is disappointing we may as well just get Apple TV.
Samsung and LG are 'middling' makes, so OK if you don't want Sony/Panasonic.

Does AppleTV give computer style web browsing?, and if that's what you want why not just buy a Raspberry Pi?.
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Old 15-05-2013, 11:59
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Samsung and LG are 'middling' makes, so OK if you don't want Sony/Panasonic.

Does AppleTV give computer style web browsing?, and if that's what you want why not just buy a Raspberry Pi?.
Ah right, I see. So Sony and Panasonic tend to be the best TV makes. I think I agree with you about Toshiba. We do rather like the look of the samsung, but will take another look.

No, what I want to be able to do is watch youtube videos and possibly BBC iplayer (not definitely) on our TV. The other thing would be being able to watch video's that I have on my MacBook Pro laptop, on the big screen of our TV.

To be honest, having done some research, Smart Tv's don't seem that god, well the 'Smart' element anyway and I doubt we'd ever use it for web browsing, just what I said before hand.
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Old 15-05-2013, 13:46
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No, what I want to be able to do is watch youtube videos and possibly BBC iplayer (not definitely) on our TV. The other thing would be being able to watch video's that I have on my MacBook Pro laptop, on the big screen of our TV.
As I suggested in a reply on your other thread why not just connect your MacBook (assuming it has HDMI out) to the HDMI in on the TV.
These are examples only which you give you the general principle and there'll be plenty of help on Mac forums etc. for your particular model
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQrQqKRDpM
http://www.codenes.com/blog/?p=338
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Old 15-05-2013, 19:07
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Going by the Which? reviews the Panasonic TX-L37E5B and the Samsung UE32EH5000 score the same. Both are rated very good on Freeview HD but not so good on normal Freeview. A friend bought the Samsung 12 months or so ago and I wasn't impressed by the Freeview HD picture personally and the normal Freeview was only so-so. Another shortfall of the Samsung is that it doesn't have HDMI CEC, so if you connect for example a DVD player, it won't autoplay.

However the Samsung is an entry level model. I would tentatively suggest that you view the Panasonic instead as this is a full price model. Which? aren't keen on the DVD playback although they like Blu-ray. You can connect to the internet via a cable, or an optional wi-fi dongle but there's no built-in wi-fi and no web browser.

Which? haven't tested the latest Samsung UE32F5500 so I can't help you there. I doubt you will be able to test the picture quality of the Panny and the F model Sammy together but perhaps you could take a Blu-ray film you are familiar with and compare that way.

As the others have said, web browsing via Smart TV is next to useless as you have to use the TV remote. I have never done any web browsing on my Smart TV but occasionally use the BBC i-player and Youtube is good.

As the new 2013 models are coming into the shops now, you should be able to get a good deal on 2012 models, such as the Panasonic, where the picture quality will probably be just as good (if not better) as the 2013 models, as the emphasis this year seems to be on improving the web interface.

'Better' I think is in the eye of the beholder. Really you should try and see in the flesh as many TVs as you can. One person might like a Samsung and another Sony and another Panasonic or LG. These are the top 4 makes at the moment and some models are great, and some only middling. Usually the more you spend the better the picture quality.
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Old 15-05-2013, 20:03
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Another shortfall of the Samsung is that it doesn't have HDMI CEC, so if you connect for example a DVD player, it won't autoplay.
Are you sure? - I thought most decent TV's had CEC these days? - but a DVD player almost certainly wouldn't, only BD players.
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Old 15-05-2013, 20:37
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Going by the Which? reviews the Panasonic TX-L37E5B and the Samsung UE32EH5000 score the same. Both are rated very good on Freeview HD but not so good on normal Freeview. A friend bought the Samsung 12 months or so ago and I wasn't impressed by the Freeview HD picture personally and the normal Freeview was only so-so. Another shortfall of the Samsung is that it doesn't have HDMI CEC, so if you connect for example a DVD player, it won't autoplay.

However the Samsung is an entry level model. I would tentatively suggest that you view the Panasonic instead as this is a full price model. Which? aren't keen on the DVD playback although they like Blu-ray. You can connect to the internet via a cable, or an optional wi-fi dongle but there's no built-in wi-fi and no web browser.

Which? haven't tested the latest Samsung UE32F5500 so I can't help you there. I doubt you will be able to test the picture quality of the Panny and the F model Sammy together but perhaps you could take a Blu-ray film you are familiar with and compare that way.

As the others have said, web browsing via Smart TV is next to useless as you have to use the TV remote. I have never done any web browsing on my Smart TV but occasionally use the BBC i-player and Youtube is good.

As the new 2013 models are coming into the shops now, you should be able to get a good deal on 2012 models, such as the Panasonic, where the picture quality will probably be just as good (if not better) as the 2013 models, as the emphasis this year seems to be on improving the web interface.

'Better' I think is in the eye of the beholder. Really you should try and see in the flesh as many TVs as you can. One person might like a Samsung and another Sony and another Panasonic or LG. These are the top 4 makes at the moment and some models are great, and some only middling. Usually the more you spend the better the picture quality.
Thank you so much. The Panasonic seems too big for us unfortunately. The Samsung seems to have the CEC? I looked it up and it said it did, but thank you very much for your input!
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Old 15-05-2013, 21:16
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The Samsung UE32EH5000 defo does not have CEC.
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Old 15-05-2013, 21:30
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The Samsung UE32EH5000 defo does not have CEC.
To be honest, I don't even know what CEC is!
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Old 16-05-2013, 08:06
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I hope you don't mind me butting in - I'm in exactly the same position as the OP. I was looking at the Panasonic TX-L32E5B but then the sales person showed me the TX-32E6B (http://www.richersounds.com/product/.../pana-txl32e6b). The internet pictures don't do it justice as its possibly the best looking TV I've ever seen and I know you can't always tell in the shop but it appeared to have a much better picture. The E5B has been reduced quite substantially in price since I started looking though and I'm wondering if there is much difference between the two TVs to warrant paying so much more for the E6B. I also don't really want the Smart facility and, according to the Panasonic brochure they do a non-Smart version of the E6B (the EM6) but, unfortunately I can't find it for sale anywhere.

I'm also considering Samsung unfortunately my local TV shop doesn't sell Samsung and I can't get to Richer Sounds/John Lewis (the only two shops I can think of that sell a wide range of TVs - I refuse to shop in Currys due to past experiences - until next week.

I'm sure buying TVs used to be a lot simpler than this!!! I don't know what CEC is either!
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Old 16-05-2013, 09:23
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I'm sure buying TVs used to be a lot simpler than this!!! I don't know what CEC is either!
Unfortunately different manufacturers give it different names, but it's all CEC - developed by Sony/Panasonic.

CEC provides auto-switching from HDMI, as long as you use CEC enabled sources (BD players for example). It also provides far more, such as when you turn your BD player ON the TV not only auto-switches to the correct HDMI input, but you can also control BOTH devices with either of their remotes.

Essentially there's a common remote standard included with CEC, and the two devices (TV and BD etc.) convert their own remote signals to the standard, and send it down the HDMI lead.

It has good points and bad points though
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Old 16-05-2013, 13:02
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I made a thread about this earlier, but having had a good think I've changed my mind about wanting a TV with 'Smart' capabilities - I'm not against it but it is no longer essential as we'd prefer to buy and use Apple TV for what we want.

Our main concerns are with image quality, 1080p and Freview HD.

We've found one TV which we really like (it is a Smart TV but it is a good price and reviews seem pretty positive) , the only thing really concerning me is it's 50Hz refresh rate, however I don't even know if we will notice it, just if we can get a better TV at the same price we would obviously want to.

It is: http://www.richersounds.com/product/...b/tosh-32rl958
i have the lower model to that toshiba 720p one and it is a very good tv i've had no problems at all.
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Old 16-05-2013, 16:57
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Wouldnt mind getting a 37 inch TV myself although one that could have Dolby Digital Audio built in so i could watch sky over HMDI. Ive had a Panasonic TX-32LZD85 for about 4 years now and a great TV but my room is starting to get a bit cluttered now with cables. Max Budget 450.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:57
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Its now saying ESPN HD on the btsport.com website before only had espn.
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Old 17-05-2013, 02:11
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OP, I mentioned the LG 32LS570T in my first post and have you considered it? It is a Which? Best Buy scoring 67% Full HD LED Smart 2D set with wifi and Freeview HD. Both on HD and SD picture quality is very good for the price. If you don't want wifi or the Smart interface, well...don't use them, but if it's digital TV you'll mostly be watching then this could be the TV for you. I found it for 400 at Play.com but it's on offer at Richer Sound for only 300 at the moment and a bargain at this price...and 100 below your max budget.

If you can afford 454, then even better is the Samsung UE32ES6300, another Which? Best Buy scoring 69%. It was considered expensive when it first came out in Feb 2012, but now it has been reduced. This has 3D as well and the 3D is good but again you don't have to use it.
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Old 17-05-2013, 06:43
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I bought myself a new TV in February from Richer Sounds. I entered the shop with a shortlist of Samsung and LG models in mind, all costing 500-600. I left it an hour and a half later, having done a pretty exhaustive audition, with a 39" Philips that cost just 379. Here is the link:http://www.richersounds.com/product/...hil-39pfl3807t
As you see, it has gone down in price since I got mine.
It is a plain black slender LED set with a very narrow bezel. It has YouTube access, but not much else in the way of Smart TV functions (I have YouView from TalkTalk anyway, so get all the catch-up services from that). I knew that whatever I looked at would be good in HD, so I asked the manager to show me some standard definition as well. This was where the Philips stood out from the crowd. The only other set that could match it was a Samsung that cost nearly three times the price.
I got it home and spent a very long time tweaking the settings because the defaults are completely useless. It was worth the effort, though, because the picture is now superb. The processing is Digital Crystal Clear, which I think is simpler than Pixel Perfect, but it is certainly good enough. The set doesn't suffer from flicker and a football match can be watched without enduring blurred players and ball. In short, it is a cracking TV for a knock-down price - and it is also a bit bigger than what you were expecting for the money.
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Old 17-05-2013, 10:35
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Do u know if that TV would output 5.1
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Old 18-05-2013, 06:27
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It has a coaxial output, but whether it handles 5.1, I don't know. I have a Yamaha YAS-101 sound bar and it feeds that perfectly well. It might be worth giving Richers a ring to check.
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Old 18-05-2013, 09:16
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http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue3...-hd/p231878324



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