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Old 16-05-2013, 16:42
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What is the point of LTE, when you can get quicker speeds on 3G. I just got over 23mbps on 3G on the Three network in shenfield, Essex.
When I have tested EE LTE in central London I have been lucky to get over 10 Mbps. I was paying £46 per month for unlimited texts, calls and 6Gb of data with a iPhone 5 @ £99, having got out of that contract through EE EXECUTIVE office I am now paying £25 per month for 1000 minutes 5000 texts and unlimited data @ £99 for iPhone 5. I just don't see the value in EE LTE tariffs ?
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Old 16-05-2013, 16:48
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That would have been HPSA (H+) rather than 3G.
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Old 16-05-2013, 16:51
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What is the point of LTE, when you can get quicker speeds on 3G. I just got over 23mbps on 3G on the Three network in shenfield, Essex.
When I have tested EE LTE in central London I have been lucky to get over 10 Mbps. I was paying £46 per month for unlimited texts, calls and 6Gb of data with a iPhone 5 @ £99, having got out of that contract through EE EXECUTIVE office I am now paying £25 per month for 1000 minutes 5000 texts and unlimited data @ £99 for iPhone 5. I just don't see the value in EE LTE tariffs ?
Nice didn't know anyone on EE was getting unlimited data?
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Old 16-05-2013, 16:57
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Nice didn't know anyone on EE was getting unlimited data?
Read the post properly ... The unlimited refers to the 3 network not EE
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Old 16-05-2013, 16:58
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That would have been HPSA (H+) rather than 3G.
Errr HSPA is a version of 3G
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:02
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I agree. I saw an ad on the TV the other day for EE and it said in the small print that you can expect to get an average of 9-12mbps. I have heard stories of worse than that. I have a sim only with Three that includes unlimited data for less than a tenner a month.

I never get less than about 8mbps and have managed 26mbps on my iphone 5. I won't be hurrying to 4G.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:13
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Read the post properly ... The unlimited refers to the 3 network not EE
Ah I see that it slightly unclear I read as if you got that deal from the EE Executive office. Should of guessed it was Three.

Errr HSPA is a version of 3G
LTE is a version of 3G as well just allowed to be called 4G. And to be getting speeds you are I expect you are likely using DC-HSPA. Three seems the best value for phones at moment specially if you want good data.

I agree. I saw an ad on the TV the other day for EE and it said in the small print that you can expect to get an average of 9-12mbps. I have heard stories of worse than that. I have a sim only with Three that includes unlimited data for less than a tenner a month.

I never get less than about 8mbps and have managed 26mbps on my iphone 5. I won't be hurrying to 4G.
You won't have to hurry Three are giving LTE to all customers and it will support IPhone 5 like EE's.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:23
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That would have been HPSA (H+) rather than 3G.


To be honest Three have got a good strategy moving forward. Their ultrafast branding has been very clever.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:32
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To be honest Three have got a good strategy moving forward. Their ultrafast branding has been very clever.
Agreed it a better slogan than O2 or EE have got for sure. Vodafone Yoda thing is pretty kool as well though. Some might think it's LTE though but they do say clearly at moment it's not but it will soon probably 4-5 months and we will see LTE on Three in London.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:58
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To be honest Three have got a good strategy moving forward. Their ultrafast branding has been very clever.
It might be clever in the short term for 3 but it will confuse customers and has the potential to delay uptake of LTE services in the longer term which could have a very negative effect on 3 themselves who will have to cope with an increasing demand from their 'Ultrafast' unlimited data using customers.

3's 'Ultrafast' proposition allied to unlimited data is a big gamble as they have a finite amount of bandwidth to deliver data. I note that 3 are now including information in the small print of their adverts about 'Trafficsense' their data rationing system which they introduced for a while last year and withdrew after a hammering from users on forums etc. Looks like Trafficsense will be making a comeback and that might not be popular with the 1000's who have signed up for unlimited data on expensive contracts, depending on the level of restriction 3 choose to impose.
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Old 16-05-2013, 18:16
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It might be clever in the short term for 3 but it will confuse customers and has the potential to delay uptake of LTE services in the longer term which could have a very negative effect on 3 themselves who will have to cope with an increasing demand from their 'Ultrafast' unlimited data using customers.

3's 'Ultrafast' proposition allied to unlimited data is a big gamble as they have a finite amount of bandwidth to deliver data. I note that 3 are now including information in the small print of their adverts about 'Trafficsense' their data rationing system which they introduced for a while last year and withdrew after a hammering from users on forums etc. Looks like Trafficsense will be making a comeback and that might not be popular with the 1000's who have signed up for unlimited data on expensive contracts, depending on the level of restriction 3 choose to impose.
True they do have a finite amount of bandwidth but same can be said of all networks apart from EE as they just have tons of 4G spectrum. I don't see anyone really complaining about Ultrafast so far and come september/october LTE will start rolling out. I am sure there are some people on EE who don't get 4G and they are paying extra for it. They have the least amount of customers in UK though so it might be okay or might not only time will tell. It won't become an issue till Late 2014 Early 2015 if it does at all.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:16
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True they do have a finite amount of bandwidth but same can be said of all networks apart from EE as they just have tons of 4G spectrum. I don't see anyone really complaining about Ultrafast so far and come september/october LTE will start rolling out. I am sure there are some people on EE who don't get 4G and they are paying extra for it. They have the least amount of customers in UK though so it might be okay or might not only time will tell. It won't become an issue till Late 2014 Early 2015 if it does at all.
Problem is that others have limits that allow the network to maintain quality of service and 3 does not.

That will eventually become a big issue for 3 customers and 3 have reintroduced 'Trafficsense' in their advertising.... a clue perhaps?
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:20
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Hspda+ and LTE are not 4g , ergo they are 3g......
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:23
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Problem is that others have limits that allow the network to maintain quality of service and 3 does not.

That will eventually become a big issue for 3 customers and 3 have reintroduced 'Trafficsense' in their advertising.... a clue perhaps?
I think they will keep unlimited as that is there thing not sure how traffic sense is going be there.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:37
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3 have reintroduced 'Trafficsense' in their advertising.... a clue perhaps?
You say that but three have had it in their adverts and advertising for almost a year now.

Looks like the 3 hate brigade is out in full force tonight
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Old 16-05-2013, 20:17
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Out if interest what were the 3G Three speeds in central London... Not Essex.

The LTE network in London is still being developed, where as the 3G upgrades for Three / EE are largely done within the M25.
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Old 16-05-2013, 21:21
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Out if interest what were the 3G Three speeds in central London... Not Essex.

The LTE network in London is still being developed, where as the 3G upgrades for Three / EE are largely done within the M25.

3G speeds on 3 in central london around 6-8mbps down and 2 mbps up

EE 3G 4-6 mbps down and 2-3 up
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Old 16-05-2013, 21:31
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3G speeds on 3 in central london around 6-8mbps down and 2 mbps up

EE 3G 4-6 mbps down and 2-3 up
I was lucky to get a consistent 2mbps with 3 and an iphone 5 in central London less than a month ago

Now I'm with ee4g I get a minimum of 10mbps but mainly around 18mbps. With highs as much as 38! In central London that is and tested at peak times
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Old 17-05-2013, 14:43
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29700kbps is my best download speed so far on Three, in a secluded part of the Wirral strangely. Speeds such as that, allied to unlimited data, makes EE's prices look extortionate in the extreme.
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Old 17-05-2013, 15:30
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I was lucky to get a consistent 2mbps with 3 and an iphone 5 in central London less than a month ago

Now I'm with ee4g I get a minimum of 10mbps but mainly around 18mbps. With highs as much as 38! In central London that is and tested at peak times
What did you do on your phone that required you to have a 38Mbps connection? Open an email?
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Old 17-05-2013, 15:41
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Downloading (and uploading) uncompressed TIFF images from cloud storage on the move.. day in day out.

The problem i have with 3G speeds is that it is totally inconsistent, busy times or areas kill the speed. Never had my 4G at less than 10mbps (only in central london) and 99% of the time it's over 30mbps... always with low latency and super upload speeds.
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Old 17-05-2013, 16:02
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Shhhhh. I wasn't asking you

I agree though. 4G is much more consistent and able to reach places 3G just can't in some cases. And the high upload speeds is a huge plus.

DC-HSPA+ cannot match that. But unless you're a heavy/power user it's not going to benefit you.
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Old 17-05-2013, 16:17
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Shhhhh. I wasn't asking you

I agree though. 4G is much more consistent and able to reach places 3G just can't in some cases. And the high upload speeds is a huge plus.

DC-HSPA+ cannot match that. But unless you're a heavy/power user it's not going to benefit you.
Of course it is it is meant to be more consistent but you are correct unless you doing stuff which requires a lot of data on a day in day basis. Only benefit 4G will have in a few years for you is coverage.

When 4G gets pretty decent coverage I can see it becoming a major option for people who want fast broadband but can't get at there house.
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Old 17-05-2013, 16:51
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It's the inconsistency of people's experiences that really annoys me. I know it's the nature of telecoms, but canvass one hundred people (and I would if it wouldn't annoy the hell out of everyone) and you'll get one hundred different answers about network reliability and coverage.

Choosing between different suppliers seems to be little more than a coin flip!
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Old 17-05-2013, 17:02
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It's the inconsistency of people's experiences that really annoys me. I know it's the nature of telecoms, but canvass one hundred people (and I would if it wouldn't annoy the hell out of everyone) and you'll get one hundred different answers about network reliability and coverage.

Choosing between different suppliers seems to be little more than a coin flip!
That's why Root Metrics travel around and carry out 1000's of tests in each main city, aggregate all the results and publish them so you can choose which operators really perform against the more expensive providers with lower 3G performance, more dropped calls etc. I note you're in London, here's the London report.

http://www.rootmetrics.com/uk/compar...-october-2012/

In London they performed 70,846 call, mobile internet, and text tests, covering all hours of the day and night. They travelled 2,292 miles around the London area and performed indoor and outdoor tests with their professional teams using off the shelf phones from the retailers themselves.

The results were that Three was ranked highest for mobile internet, texts and combined performance, with calls being a draw between Three and O2. There wasn't much between the operators for calls and texts in London, data did separate operators though.

Within London proper, Vodafone delivered the fastest average download speed.
Generally, the surrounding towns and villages experienced declines in performance across all networks. Three was an exception: they delivered faster average download speeds to these areas compared to the city itself.
On the commutes between these areas, networks are typically slower still. Amongst the lot, Three was the fastest for both download and upload.

We’re firm believers that sheer speed alone isn’t the best indication of mobile internet performance; perhaps a more practical measure is how often users actually experience fast mobile internet speeds. We’ve found that mobile performance increases notably at speeds above 3 Mbps.
Three recorded the greatest percentage of mobile internet speeds above 3 Mbps, doing so in 32.6% of our tests
This data was also from October, Three has rolled out much more dc-hsdpa since then as well.
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