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Old 18-05-2013, 17:03
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I personally think broadband is a rip off compared to tethering with Three's one plan. The idea of line rental and also the speeds are not great. I get double the speed on 3g than my home broadband connection.

Will tethering deals come down in price, do you think more operators like EE and o2 will do what Three are doing, is there enough network for this without decreasing speeds? the idea of not having to get an engineer to install broadband etc, tethering good for people who move houses alot too. I'm really for this technology
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:15
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It's a pro for some. But at the moment it's not going to have any major impact. Maybe in a number of years when prices come down, 4G is widespread and data caps are fair/unlimited.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:19
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I personally think broadband is a rip off compared to tethering with Three's one plan. The idea of line rental and also the speeds are not great. I get double the speed on 3g than my home broadband connection.

Will tethering deals come down in price, do you think more operators like EE and o2 will do what Three are doing, is there enough network for this without decreasing speeds? the idea of not having to get an engineer to install broadband etc, tethering good for people who move houses alot too. I'm really for this technology
I honestly I do agree broadband is a bit of a rip of. I doubt tethering deals will ever come down in price I expect Three are even likely raise there One Plan when 4G starts because of that reason. It is a lot more flexible I agree specially when engineers can sometimes take 2 weeks to install and days to come out and fix a problem with your internet plus the money and hassle you have to spend on phone to the company getting them to come out in first place. I always felt it wrong you still have pay the same even if it out mine was down for 2 weeks once but I still got charged for a month of use.

It's not just download speeds even the upload speeds are lot better a friend of mine has 100MB from virgin and only gets 3MB of upload speed.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:24
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I honestly I do agree broadband is a bit of a rip of.
I know this is a retention deal but i'm paying £14pm inc line rental for unlimited fibre optic (38mb) and evening/weekend calls. £14pm is standard line rental for nearly everyone so how i got this deal i do not know. But it's awesome.

I'm also paying £12.50pm for the one plan so for me both are great offers and attractive.

But at standard price 3G/4G is nowhere near competitive/stable/reliable/available (or unlimited) compared to fixed line. But for a small amount of people it's the best they can get at the moment. And that small amount will grow very soon.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:29
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Until mobile networks introduce a high usage allowances for their monthly charge then no they won't kill off the home broadband. Most mobile networks have an allowance of say 2gb per month within their tariff, I could easily go beyond that within a few hours using you tube, iplayer, sportsd streaming sites for games that are not on Sky, this doesn't even include Updates for Windows & Android etc etc.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:29
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I know this is a retention deal but i'm paying £14pm inc line rental for unlimited fibre optic (38mb) and evening/weekend calls. £14pm is standard line rental for nearly everyone so how i got this deal i do not know. But it's awesome.

I'm also paying £12.50pm for the one plan so for me both are great offers and attractive.

But at standard price 3G/4G is nowhere near competitive/stable/reliable/available (or unlimited) compared to fixed line. But for a small amount of people it's the best they can get at the moment. And that small amount will grow very soon.
I paid 38.40 last month for my broad band and line rental. Never use the phone and I get 18-25MB max it was actually down for three days last month. I pay slightly less than on the One Plan. See why I considering tethering when 4G comes across country.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:33
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Until mobile networks introduce a high usage allowances for their monthly charge then no they won't kill off the home broadband. Most mobile networks have an allowance of say 2gb per month within their tariff, I could easily go beyond that within a few hours using you tube, iplayer, sportsd streaming sites for games that are not on Sky, this doesn't even include Updates for Windows & Android etc etc.
I used 70GB yesterday on my fixed line. That's more than some BB packages which only offer 40GB per month. From what i've read the majority of households seem to be using that much every month now and that is only set to increase. So i agree. even 20GB (EE) isn't enough for today's average broadband user.
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Old 18-05-2013, 17:40
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Only for very light users, my mate uses his 15 gig mobile broadband allowance every month and is happy with that, sometimes has 4 gigs spare.

I end up using many gigs a day, so it wouldn't be suitable for me.It all depends if you just browse or whether you watch 1080p TV and download games etc.
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Old 18-05-2013, 18:37
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I personally think broadband is a rip off compared to tethering with Three's one plan. The idea of line rental and also the speeds are not great. I get double the speed on 3g than my home broadband connection.

Will tethering deals come down in price, do you think more operators like EE and o2 will do what Three are doing, is there enough network for this without decreasing speeds? the idea of not having to get an engineer to install broadband etc, tethering good for people who move houses alot too. I'm really for this technology
Highly unlikely that other networks will do what 3 are doing because there simply isn't the bandwidth to compete with fixed line services. Nowadays folks are using broadband for watching catch-up tv and streaming Netflix and LoveFilm, gaming and downloading large video files. It's fine for a handful of folks to use mobile broadband for these but if the average street relied on wireless services to get the same as fixed line there would be little chance anyone would get much!

The question has to be asked..... If it was that easy to provide unlimited data on 3G or 4G why hasn't all the networks done it? T-Mobile match unlimited data but without tethering and the speed is capped to 4Mbps. GiffGaff have a £10 SIM only deal with unlimited data but only on the phone. Tethering may become an issue for 3 if folks use their mobiles to replace fixed line broadband. They have an answer to that problem when it arises and it has already been tested, Trafficsense, which is now more prominently mentioned in 3's advertising. Customers won't like the restriction when it's implemented but they can't say they were not forewarned and if they are at all realistic they should know that replacing fixed line with 3G is not possible for large numbers with the bandwidth any of the networks have.
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Old 18-05-2013, 18:37
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I average 40gig a month so it would not be suitable for me unless they increase their allowances a lot. And I would prefer an unlimited one as well as I don't want to be checking it all the time and wondering if I should download something or not.
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Old 18-05-2013, 18:52
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Maybe in years to come, but not now since the allowances are rank and the speeds aren't that brilliant.
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Old 19-05-2013, 01:24
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I wouldn't even entertain the idea of using anything as my main broadband connection, unless it was unlimited.

It would also need to be a hell of a lot faster than my current 3g speeds.

In addition to that, we use out home telephone line for incoming calls, and free evening and weekend calls - its a lot more reliable than mobiles!
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Old 19-05-2013, 04:21
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I wouldn't even entertain the idea of using anything as my main broadband connection, unless it was unlimited.

It would also need to be a hell of a lot faster than my current 3g speeds.

In addition to that, we use out home telephone line for incoming calls, and free evening and weekend calls - its a lot more reliable than mobiles!
You must be in a bad signal area I used my mobile instead of landline for calls for years. And most people find it cheaper than using landline because you get included minutes then.

I agree about speeds though until is nationwide which is meant be 2015 it won't be good alternative but it will be specially for rural areas then some of them only get 4mb now but they will be able get 10-30mb via 4G.
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Old 19-05-2013, 06:31
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I paid 38.40 last month for my broad band and line rental. Never use the phone and I get 18-25MB max it was actually down for three days last month. I pay slightly less than on the One Plan. See why I considering tethering when 4G comes across country.
As I mentioned in another thread I have 4g LTE on my iPad 4 (I'm in America, in case you are wondering how that's possible) and I get around 34Mbps and my land line broadband fiber connection is less than half as fast but ping times are quite a bit quicker. That may be important for a lot of people and something to consider when you guys get widespread 4G. Also, cellular connections, it should go without saying, are much more prone to being erratic in speed compared to a landline.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:24
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As I mentioned in another thread I have 4g LTE on my iPad 4 (I'm in America, in case you are wondering how that's possible) and I get around 34Mbps and my land line broadband fiber connection is less than half as fast but ping times are quite a bit quicker. That may be important for a lot of people and something to consider when you guys get widespread 4G. Also, cellular connections, it should go without saying, are much more prone to being erratic in speed compared to a landline.
True they are more erratic. You only person in america I know who even still keeps a landline for internet. I know over there it's not mandatory like it is over here.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:35
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latentcy is the downside 70ms as opposed to 24ms

i used a mifi for a bit used to get 3meg avg (im 100m from mast)

wasnt to bad
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:58
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latentcy is the downside 70ms as opposed to 24ms

i used a mifi for a bit used to get 3meg avg (im 100m from mast)

wasnt to bad
What you're quoting is probably HSDPA though rather than DC-HSDPA, with the upgrades to Three lately the ping times have dropped if you're near an uncongested sites.

LTE will improve these further.

Example from now - http://oi39.tinypic.com/2qiuref.jpg
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Old 19-05-2013, 16:03
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True they are more erratic. You only person in america I know who even still keeps a landline for internet. I know over there it's not mandatory like it is over here.
It's not mandatory here either to have a landline. You can get cable broadband from Virgin without subscribing to a landline because their broadband doesn't use the landline.

If you are buying a broadband service that does use a landline e.g. (e.g. ADSL, or VDSL) then you need a landline and there's a charge for it. Simples.
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Old 19-05-2013, 16:05
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As I mentioned in another thread I have 4g LTE on my iPad 4 (I'm in America, in case you are wondering how that's possible) and I get around 34Mbps and my land line broadband fiber connection is less than half as fast but ping times are quite a bit quicker. That may be important for a lot of people and something to consider when you guys get widespread 4G. Also, cellular connections, it should go without saying, are much more prone to being erratic in speed compared to a landline.
What's the point of a fibre connection if you're going to get slow speeds...unless it isn't a true FTTP service.

Who's your provider?
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Old 19-05-2013, 16:08
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It's not mandatory here either to have a landline. You can get cable broadband from Virgin without subscribing to a landline because their broadband doesn't use the landline.

If you are buying a broadband service that does use a landline e.g. (e.g. ADSL, or VDSL) then you need a landline and there's a charge for it. Simples.
True you can these days get via virgin but isn't in available in all areas like BT and things.
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Old 19-05-2013, 16:18
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True you can these days get via virgin but isn't in available in all areas like BT and things.
It is also pointless as Virgin actually give it to you free, in fact in my case it's £1 more not to have it I think.

The way they package it means I've had a landline active but never actually use it as mobile calls are cheaper / included.

Even 0800 I just use 0800 buster, use skype or look for alternative numbers using saynoto0870. Loads of companies these days like Npower etc have realised that they need to have 03 numbers now because the landline is almost dead.
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Old 19-05-2013, 16:48
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Worth reading this about Multi Device Plans:

But experts agree that later, the 4G battle will be around tariffs, with shared data plans launched around multiple devices in the home. ‘I think you will see disparity in prices for an equal offer, but you will see options and add-ons,’ says Gabriel Brown, senior analyst at Heavy Reading. ‘The most obvious of these will be the multi-device plan; no UK operator offers this yet.’

Brown says a move to offer multiple device tariffs would see the UK emulate the US, where the LTE market is more mature. In the US, Verizon Wireless has 30% of post paid subscribers on its Share Everything plan and AT&T is on 14% with its Mobile Share offer. The plans are tiered on a number of devices and data consumption. ‘That’s the biggest way you can add on £5 or £10 per month and monetise your customer base. There’s money on the table for this,’ Brown says.
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/Feature...challenge.aspx
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Old 19-05-2013, 17:11
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I hope they don't follow the business model in the USA.
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Old 19-05-2013, 20:29
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Poor throughput, higher latency, usually with data limits. I can't see it replacing my own fixed line connection which is much faster, lower latency and has unlimited data.

Even LTE won't fix all of that - particularly in urban areas.
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Old 19-05-2013, 20:42
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Poor throughput, higher latency, usually with data limits. I can't see it replacing my own fixed line connection which is much faster, lower latency and has unlimited data.

Even LTE won't fix all of that - particularly in urban areas.
Agreed, for a light user it would be fine though,
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