River wasn't a living creature and she ended up being the one to open it. How about that 
So did silence fall?
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Originally Posted by Facepalm:
“I assume they meant if the question was answered, the Great Intelligence would get into the Doctor's tomb and destroy his timeline- hence silence falling on the planets and systems that the Doctor has saved. This is the why the silence tried to kill the Doctor in series 6. They were trying to prevent the risk of this happening by killing the Doctor before he got to trenzalore.”
“I assume they meant if the question was answered, the Great Intelligence would get into the Doctor's tomb and destroy his timeline- hence silence falling on the planets and systems that the Doctor has saved. This is the why the silence tried to kill the Doctor in series 6. They were trying to prevent the risk of this happening by killing the Doctor before he got to trenzalore.”
So they tried to stop some systems and planets from being destroyed by...blowing up the TARDIS and destryong EVERY system and planet instead?
Some plan.
Originally Posted by JustinCredible:
“So they tried to stop some systems and planets from being destroyed by...blowing up the TARDIS and destryong EVERY system and planet instead?
Some plan.”
“So they tried to stop some systems and planets from being destroyed by...blowing up the TARDIS and destryong EVERY system and planet instead?
Some plan.”
We don't know for absolute sure it was The Silence who did explode the TARDIS, but even if it was they clearly didn't know what blowing it up would actually cause. They''re a bit thick like that.
Originally Posted by So 3008:
“We don't know for absolute sure it was The Silence who did explode the TARDIS, but even if it was they clearly didn't know what blowing it up would actually cause. They''re a bit thick like that.”
“We don't know for absolute sure it was The Silence who did explode the TARDIS, but even if it was they clearly didn't know what blowing it up would actually cause. They''re a bit thick like that.”
Have they been invited to join the executive producer squad for the next 'series'?
Originally Posted by AJ1000:
“Anyone know how the silence will fall speech applied to the finale episode? River answered the question, I think.
This was the speech:
The Silence tried to kill the Doctor to prevent the fruition of a specific prophecy, which stated: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered."”
“Anyone know how the silence will fall speech applied to the finale episode? River answered the question, I think.
This was the speech:
The Silence tried to kill the Doctor to prevent the fruition of a specific prophecy, which stated: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered."”
Is it important that River isn't actually a "living creature"?
She is/was, I assume, just a manifestation of the data ghost stored in the library computer.
Originally Posted by Indrid Cold:
“How about the part where it says "when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"?
You can say that, in this episode, the Doctor couldn't fail to answer because it would kill his friends and couldn't speak falsely because if he said a fake name the door wouldn't open. But "no living creature"? It doesn't seem to apply here.”
“How about the part where it says "when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"?
You can say that, in this episode, the Doctor couldn't fail to answer because it would kill his friends and couldn't speak falsely because if he said a fake name the door wouldn't open. But "no living creature"? It doesn't seem to apply here.”
Good point, and also you wonder still why it would qualify as "the oldest question in the universe."
But it seems plain that, because the Doctor has time travelled more than anyone else, his personal timeline is deeply interwoven with that of much if the universe, and, if meddled with, creates an awfully large, potentially Universe-ending paradox. Hence, his tomb is one of the most dangerous places in said universe. Sounds like a good candidate for silence falling to me. And so it did fall, but was reversed in the end by Clara. (Apparently largely by shouting Doctor as he ran past, but what else are you going to do with 45 minutes? And the bit with Hartnell being helped to steal the right TARDIS was great.)
Actually, this was cleverly handled.
Silence did indeed fall
The Question was asked, but nobody audibly answered. River answered, but nobody could hear her thanks to the fact that she was an invisible ghost at the time.
Silence did indeed fall
The Question was asked, but nobody audibly answered. River answered, but nobody could hear her thanks to the fact that she was an invisible ghost at the time.
Originally Posted by Banks246:
“They don't just want the Doctor dead, they are not the Daleks.
They wanted him dead to prevent what Clara prevented from happening.
I guess blowing up the TARDIS was a clumsy attempt at this, although I still have no idea how they gained control of it.”
“They don't just want the Doctor dead, they are not the Daleks.
They wanted him dead to prevent what Clara prevented from happening.
I guess blowing up the TARDIS was a clumsy attempt at this, although I still have no idea how they gained control of it.”
What if he TARDIS explosion was the GI/whispermen. the "Silence will fall" that echoes through the control room before the blast sounds remarkably like some of the whisper men did. What if that was not the silence but one of a very few failed attempts by the GI to change the doctors past
Originally Posted by Indrid Cold:
“How about the part where it says "when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"?
You can say that, in this episode, the Doctor couldn't fail to answer because it would kill his friends and couldn't speak falsely because if he said a fake name the door wouldn't open. But "no living creature"? It doesn't seem to apply here.”
“How about the part where it says "when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"?
You can say that, in this episode, the Doctor couldn't fail to answer because it would kill his friends and couldn't speak falsely because if he said a fake name the door wouldn't open. But "no living creature"? It doesn't seem to apply here.”
The implication was that River was dead and just an echo much like she was in FOTD sh is no living creature
And the whole set up of no living creature can speak false or fail to answer has always instantly given me one thought "Dead men tell no tales" Trenzalore was a grave yard
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