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Old 18-05-2013, 20:53
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Time Lady

Now THAT'S an interesting concept!
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Old 19-05-2013, 12:41
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No, it means she was on Gallifrey to prompt him to take the 'correct' TARDIS. No suggestion she's a Time Lord/Lady at all, she's merely inserted herself into his narrative.

As the actress said to the Bishop.

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Old 19-05-2013, 12:49
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No, it means she was on Gallifrey to prompt him to take the 'correct' TARDIS. No suggestion she's a Time Lord/Lady at all, she's merely inserted herself into his narrative.

As the actress said to the Bishop.

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I wouldn't be too sure about that, Dalek Clara and Victorian Clara both had lives away from the Doctor, so why wouldn't Timelady Clara?
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Old 19-05-2013, 12:49
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No, it means she was on Gallifrey to prompt him to take the 'correct' TARDIS. No suggestion she's a Time Lord/Lady at all, she's merely inserted herself into his narrative.

As the actress said to the Bishop.

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It was made very clear that she was BORN over and over again - we saw one of them with baby Victorian Clara, she's says that she's born, she lives and she dies - and lived her life to find the Doctor and help him, even if she didn't really know it. The only way she could be on Gallifrey is if that particular part of Clara was born there.
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Old 19-05-2013, 19:16
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Not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords though, so she still isn't necessarily a Time Lady.
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Old 19-05-2013, 20:22
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Not being a Time Person would stop a few obvious questions arising... such as, does she become the Doctor's mum? Nudging Wilf to pack his pistol (fnarr) did sort-of save his life in the End of Time. And did she later regenerate? Or become the R**i?

We can definitely say she isn't Susan, as we see Susan precede Doc1 into the 'wrong' TARDIS.

But: if Clara was there to undo everything the GI was doing: then if Clara's a Time Lady, the GI would be a Time Lord, by extension...

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Old 19-05-2013, 23:55
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It was made very clear that she was BORN over and over again - we saw one of them with baby Victorian Clara, she's says that she's born, she lives and she dies - and lived her life to find the Doctor and help him, even if she didn't really know it. The only way she could be on Gallifrey is if that particular part of Clara was born there.
Not necessarily. Leela ended up living on Gallifrey. It's not unheard of for other aliens to visit and/or settle there (in the audios they were admitting other races to their schools, if I remember correctly).

A Clara echo could either have travelled to Gallifrey in a spaceship or even been picked up from another time period by a TARDIS traveller (for some unspecified reason - perhaps he fell in love ).
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Old 20-05-2013, 00:15
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She was also following Four on Gallifrey as well...

I think, the clip was from The Invasion of Time anyway.
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Old 20-05-2013, 01:26
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Not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords though, so she still isn't necessarily a Time Lady.
Wasn't it explained that once a year, every citizen of Gallifrey would venture out to the tear in the fabric of time and stare into it?

Which is the passage of rite for the time lords/ladies.
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Old 20-05-2013, 02:31
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S'funny, for once I almost guessed how it was going to turn out.

I had my money on the TARDIS splintering Clara through time to help the Doctor battle with the GI.

After TBOSJ I was utterly convinced it was gonna turn out this way but the start of TROA kinda confused me.
I mean, if Clara was actually born in 1989 (or whatever), had parents and grew up on Earth then it obviously means that she wasn't just "beamed in" to do something.
I guess we're just supposed to accept that the whole thing was more fundamental than that though.
Clara was actually "seeded" through time so she'd grow up and go on to be in a place where she could help the Doctor.

Regarding the Clara on Gallifrey, maybe I'm showing my ignorance here (cos I know it was supposed to be an insular society) but there's no guarantee that Clara was actually a native of Gallifrey.
For all we know she could have been a human who ended up there specifically to help the Doctor.

The odd part is that clearly Clara1 knew her job was to steer Doctor1 toward a particular TARDIS whereas the Clara in AOTD helped the Doctor by monkeying around with the Daleks computers without, apparently, knowing she was helping the Doctor and we had pretty-much the same situation in The Snowmen.

Course, I suppose that could be explained by suggesting that the Clara's were all being evasive as to the purpose of their tasks.

Seems like there's a wealth of fan-fiction and extended-universe stuff that could be written about the adventures of the Clara's.
Shame it was all cut down to a blurry 10-second montage on screen.
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Old 20-05-2013, 09:50
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Not necessarily. Leela ended up living on Gallifrey. It's not unheard of for other aliens to visit and/or settle there (in the audios they were admitting other races to their schools, if I remember correctly).
I think I'm right in saying that that was a much later change to Gallifreyan society, possibly as a result of the Doctor's influence. I think, originally, that outsiders weren't allowed.
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Old 20-05-2013, 10:21
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I think I'm right in saying that that was a much later change to Gallifreyan society, possibly as a result of the Doctor's influence. I think, originally, that outsiders weren't allowed.
Think so too. It certainly makes more sense of the Doctor's reasons for leaving if among them were a desire to escape a claustrophobic and insular society. Clara was Gallifreyan in at least one of her lives as far as I'm concerned. Although the whole Clara reborn thing is bonkers if you think about it too literally. I'm filing it away in "Somehow this stuff just happened".
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Old 20-05-2013, 11:47
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I think I'm right in saying that that was a much later change to Gallifreyan society, possibly as a result of the Doctor's influence. I think, originally, that outsiders weren't allowed.
Possibly Clara wasn't allowed but managed to sneak in anyway. She's a resourceful girl, you know
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Old 20-05-2013, 12:00
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I think I'm right in saying that that was a much later change to Gallifreyan society, possibly as a result of the Doctor's influence. I think, originally, that outsiders weren't allowed.
You are totally correct
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Old 20-05-2013, 21:40
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Not being a Time Person would stop a few obvious questions arising... such as, does she become the Doctor's mum? Nudging Wilf to pack his pistol (fnarr) did sort-of save his life in the End of Time. And did she later regenerate? Or become the R**i?

We can definitely say she isn't Susan, as we see Susan precede Doc1 into the 'wrong' TARDIS.

But: if Clara was there to undo everything the GI was doing: then if Clara's a Time Lady, the GI would be a Time Lord, by extension...

Gary

Yes, I think the Souffle Girl of Gallifrey could well be the sombre old lady in the End of Time played by Claire Bloom. So that character wouldn't be the Doctors Mother after all.
But as the whole question about her identity was left deliberately vague, we are free to speculate.
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Old 22-05-2013, 01:04
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I think I'm right in saying that that was a much later change to Gallifreyan society, possibly as a result of the Doctor's influence. I think, originally, that outsiders weren't allowed.
At the end of The Hand of Fear, the Doctor is summoned to Gallifrey and is unable to take Sarah Jane. In School Reunion, he tells her that they didn't allow humans at that time, with the inference being that at other times that rule didn't exist. So I'd say you're right.
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Old 22-05-2013, 01:18
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Not necessarily. Leela ended up living on Gallifrey. It's not unheard of for other aliens to visit and/or settle there (in the audios they were admitting other races to their schools, if I remember correctly).
Was meant to happen to Ace in season 27 in 1990 too.
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