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Old 20-05-2013, 22:41
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Anyone got any thoughts on this new phone and OS:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/20/fin...-at-years-end/

I think it looks pretty nice and being able to use Android apps as well would be a bonus.
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Old 20-05-2013, 22:45
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Anyone got any thoughts on this new phone and OS:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/20/fin...-at-years-end/

I think it looks pretty nice and being able to use Android apps as well would be a bonus.
I think it certainly a good alternative for someone who doesn't like apple or android but wants a good alternative about from windows phone. Plus with the bonus of using android apps. Plus the fact that it looks nice is also a good point for the price though would of been nice see a quad core processor but never mind.
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Old 20-05-2013, 22:53
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Ability to use android apps could well be the zinger selling point for this phone.
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Old 20-05-2013, 22:54
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Yeah, I would probably be expecting quad core for that price but I still like the look of it. Will be interesting to see how it does and I'm interested to see more of the OS in action.
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Old 20-05-2013, 22:56
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Anyone got any thoughts on this new phone and OS:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/20/fin...-at-years-end/

I think it looks pretty nice and being able to use Android apps as well would be a bonus.
The handset itself looks a little like a Lumia.
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Old 21-05-2013, 01:39
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Another OS that will never reach critical mass and will disappear with a whimper in a few years.

The fact that companies like Nokia, Blackberry and MS have had trouble gaining traction in the market and the likes of WebOS have already died all bode poorly for Jolla.
That and it has plenty of competition in the niche OS market from the likes of Firefox OS and Ubuntu Mobile.


Ability to use android apps could well be the zinger selling point for this phone.
I don't get this line of thinking.
Why would the ability to run Android apps be a selling point for Jolla when you can also run Android apps on Android, an OS with vastly superior support from both Google and OEMs.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:12
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Why would the ability to run Android apps be a selling point for Jolla when you can also run Android apps on Android, an OS with vastly superior support from both Google and OEMs.
If they only had their own native applications, you'd be complaining that it had no ecosystem, why buy it? As it supports its native apps and Android apps, you've still got to find something to complain about.

And what evidence is there of this "vastly superior support"? Its damn near non-existent.

The Alien Dalvik subsystem in the Jolla was originally claimed to run Android apps faster than on native Android devices. Shame that they never formally got it released on Symbian, would have been handy.

An interesting comparison would be against the BB Z10. Both gesture based, the difference being that the Jolla evolving from the universally praised N9/Meego platform and they don't have the weight of a gigantic corporation behind them to slow them down.

I'm very tempted to register, it'll be an interesting device. Price is quite sensible for an unsubsidised handset as well.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:17
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Yeah, I would probably be expecting quad core for that price but I still like the look of it. Will be interesting to see how it does and I'm interested to see more of the OS in action.
And herein lies the problem.

Android *needs* quad core due to it being a pretty inefficient OS. Jolla doesn't. Compare the overall fluidity of the Jolla predecessor (the N9) running on a single core against any Android device running on quad core - from what I recall the N9 was smoother in operation than many current Android devices.

There are plenty of videos out there showing the interface in action, I do think they've gone a little over the top on gestures, but there is a beauty to the interface that is lacking on pretty much everything else on the market.
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Old 21-05-2013, 13:48
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The handset itself looks a little like a Lumia.
And Nokia based the Lumia look on the N9 which ran MeeGo and Sailfish is a development of Meego.

I wish Jolla well but it will have to be way cheaper to catch on.
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Old 21-05-2013, 14:20
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And herein lies the problem.

Android *needs* quad core due to it being a pretty inefficient OS. Jolla doesn't. Compare the overall fluidity of the Jolla predecessor (the N9) running on a single core against any Android device running on quad core - from what I recall the N9 was smoother in operation than many current Android devices.

There are plenty of videos out there showing the interface in action, I do think they've gone a little over the top on gestures, but there is a beauty to the interface that is lacking on pretty much everything else on the market.
True it doesn't need a quad core processor it could use one quite well though I meant it would of been useful for gaming or some apps more than running the OS. I agree completely though about some high end phones like the S4 being terribly optimized as that still has a massive noticeable lag even after update. But than you have something like the HTC one which doesn't so I think it honestly more down to manufacturers not fixing than android itself.
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Old 21-05-2013, 14:21
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And Nokia based the Lumia look on the N9 which ran MeeGo and Sailfish is a development of Meego.

I wish Jolla well but it will have to be way cheaper to catch on.
They're going directly for the SIM-only market - no contracts. Excluding the dreaded VAT, the device is 335 at current exchange rates. Its not actually too bad.

The closest direct competitor is the Z10, which is 100 more.

Jolla aren't aiming to take over the world, they've got realistic aims. Reckon there's a good chance that they're going to sell quite well within their own little niche. Maybe a few hundred thousand sales at a guess?

Although i'm already sold on it ... have reservations about how far they've pushed the gestures, but I do like the idea of supporting an underdog and can't see me lasting the week without getting on the pre-order list.
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Old 21-05-2013, 14:28
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For those interested, little video showing the interface in use :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv7iXwIgno
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Old 21-05-2013, 19:58
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And herein lies the problem.

Android *needs* quad core due to it being a pretty inefficient OS. Jolla doesn't. Compare the overall fluidity of the Jolla predecessor (the N9) running on a single core against any Android device running on quad core - from what I recall the N9 was smoother in operation than many current Android devices.

There are plenty of videos out there showing the interface in action, I do think they've gone a little over the top on gestures, but there is a beauty to the interface that is lacking on pretty much everything else on the market.
Yes, that's very true about the processor. I have a Lumia 800 with a single core processor and it's much, much quicker than my dual core Xperia U I had previously.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:04
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For those interested, little video showing the interface in use :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv7iXwIgno
Very nice - I think I am liking it even more now
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Old 22-05-2013, 11:15
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I don't get this line of thinking.
Why would the ability to run Android apps be a selling point for Jolla when you can also run Android apps on Android, an OS with vastly superior support from both Google and OEMs.
The reason being it opens up options re the hardware and look of the OS. One of the criticisms levelled at Windows Phone and Blackberry is lack of apps. So if Jolla launched and people love the HW and the look of the OS they also have the apps availability as well.
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Old 22-05-2013, 14:14
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For those interested, little video showing the interface in use :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv7iXwIgno
I like the look of that.
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Old 22-05-2013, 15:42
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I'm with the naysayers sorry.

It doesn't offer anything mind blowing. Sure it looks like it has a nice UI, but I'm some dev would have developed a Sailfish style launcher for Android phones in a short time.

As for android needing quad cores, I am sure the bloated skinned versions do ask a lot of the hardware, but pure Android runs quite well on a single core, and has done in its respective version since the Dream. Only have to see the AOKP and AOSP roms for single core devices like the Desire S, Galaxy S etc

Let's face it, even smooth as silk Win phone 8 and iOS has its moments.
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Old 22-05-2013, 18:46
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I'm with the naysayers sorry.

It doesn't offer anything mind blowing. Sure it looks like it has a nice UI, but I'm some dev would have developed a Sailfish style launcher for Android phones in a short time.

As for android needing quad cores, I am sure the bloated skinned versions do ask a lot of the hardware, but pure Android runs quite well on a single core, and has done in its respective version since the Dream. Only have to see the AOKP and AOSP roms for single core devices like the Desire S, Galaxy S etc

Let's face it, even smooth as silk Win phone 8 and iOS has its moments.
It would take more than a launcher to emulate the style of the interface, and they've had plenty of time and to be honest there aren't any truly interesting launchers out there.

I mentioned quad core, but thats not strictly true - there is next to no difference in general operational speed between my Tegra 2 Vega and my Tegra 3 based Nexus 7 - both running stock Android.

Overall while I like Android (and to a certain extent I can accept iOS, having an iPhone 4S), neither of them have anything that I'd count as a truly interesting interface. Both fairly boring really .... it'll be nice to have a device with something with a bit of flair.
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Old 22-05-2013, 22:23
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It would be nice if Sailfish was available for the devs to get working on the N4.
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Old 25-05-2013, 11:04
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More details on the spec.
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Old 26-05-2013, 13:26
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Still no real detail, but then nothing truly detailed has been announced.

What was shown is not the final device .... first time I've gone for a pre-order and not really known what the device will look like!
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