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Old 21-05-2013, 19:26
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Having now seen both Sony's and MS's new technology presentations I am feeling pretty meh about the next generation.

Having been a gamer since the ZX Spectrum days, I haven't had a WTF moment like when I first fired up an Amiga, SNES, XBox (the original 1 ! ) etc.

Sure they are a bit prettier but I can manage without constant particle sparks just for the sake of it. I just don't see a big jump like before.

Have we almost reached a peak until true photorealism is available?
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Old 21-05-2013, 19:39
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Having now seen both Sony's and MS's new technology presentations I am feeling pretty meh about the next generation.

Having been a gamer since the ZX Spectrum days, I haven't had a WTF moment like when I first fired up an Amiga, SNES, XBox (the original 1 ! ) etc.

Sure they are a bit prettier but I can manage without constant particle sparks just for the sake of it. I just don't see a big jump like before.

Have we almost reached a peak until true photorealism is available?
I think we are going to be stuck at the kind of graphics we have now, and are about to get on next gen for a long time. The tech has not moved as fast I thought it was going to over the past 6 to 8 years.
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Old 21-05-2013, 19:39
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I think there's less emphasis on true technical advancement and more on daft gimmicks and social media aspects now.
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Old 21-05-2013, 19:42
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I've certainly not had a "Motorstorm moment" this time
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:24
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Even with reasonable graphics, I could accept a game that seemed very free roaming or as smooth as silk in movement.
Doesn't seem to happen very often. There has been a lot of games that have bugs or rely on over complicated controls.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:25
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I think there's less emphasis on true technical advancement and more on daft gimmicks and social media aspects now.
This is exactly it with Consoles and the step to the so called "next gen" on a console is not big enough to get excited about in terms of technology power and graphics, it's all about fancy gadgets streaming and video messaging.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:28
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Sometimes it takes a few years for the developers to push what the consoles can actually do. Look at assassin's creed a visually stunning game , but not released for a few years after.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:31
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Graphics haven't moved on drastically but that doesn't bother me that much. Improvements in AI and more randomness/unpredictability in games is what they need to work on imo.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:36
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Apathy towards gaming is nothing to do with technology, it's a lack or an unwillingness to embrace new ideas. There is only so much that can be done with a tv screen, a box, and a controller.

Everything in gaming terms, with those 3 key elements has all been done before, there is very little original in games we see these days. That's why your jaded, it's nothing to do with graphics.

For those reasons, I think MS new Xbox could offer something different to the bored gamer, it just seems to have more depth to it with Kinect, or at least potentially have more depth, all depends how clever the game makers are.

I'll probably buy a PS4, just to cover all the bases, but it's quite possible an Xbox ONE could grace my gaming room at some stage.
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Old 21-05-2013, 20:51
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Each gen so far has been a massive leap forward as far as graphics are concerned apart from the gen just revealed. The graphics are hardly different than the previous, maybe graphics have come as far as they can. Might be why they are focusing on the media entertainment so much.
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Old 21-05-2013, 21:02
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Graphics haven't moved on drastically but that doesn't bother me that much. Improvements in AI and more randomness/unpredictability in games is what they need to work on imo.
Yeah, graphics really don't NEED to get that much better right now; hopefully devs are coming to realise this. I mean, having a few more scraps of burning paper floating through this air is clever an' all, but I'd rather they put more effort into the gameplay.
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Old 21-05-2013, 21:49
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Its more about product differentiation now. Thats a tech person spilling in to marketing, but its true. Of course both platforms are going to blow your socks off tech wise.
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Old 21-05-2013, 21:56
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Hopefully stuff like COD will get larger environments that are destructible and that support more players in the match. More game modes and customisation would be nice too - but I think graphically we are only going to see small steps until truly powerful hardware becomes a lot cheaper.

Lets not forget most people aren't going to get 4k and then 8k TV's to make the most of the graphics either.
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Old 21-05-2013, 22:07
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Hopefully stuff like COD will get larger environments that are destructible and that support more players in the match. More game modes and customisation would be nice too - but I think graphically we are only going to see small steps until truly powerful hardware becomes a lot cheaper.

Lets not forget most people aren't going to get 4k and then 8k TV's to make the most of the graphics either.
The new consoles are surely going to bring 1080@60fps which doesn't require 4k TVs to start with?
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Old 21-05-2013, 22:17
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The new consoles are surely going to bring 1080@60fps which doesn't require 4k TVs to start with?
No. Not all games need 1080p60. Killzone Shadowfall is 1080p30 and used up around 4.5GB of RAM.

As time goes on, more and more games will be targetting a lower resolution and/or framerate because people will complain if games aren't more impressive 4 years down the line than they were at launch. Ridge Racer 7 was the first ever retail native 1920x1080 game (it also ran at 60fps) back in 2006 but I'm sure everyone would say that the latest Forza, NFS or the upcoming GT6 are more impressive graphically than RR7 and they aren't native 1080p games (NFS:MW is sub-HD).

4K on the PS4/X1 only refers to video in/output not gaming.
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Old 21-05-2013, 22:28
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I think it depends on what they do with the extra resources, if they use them to make bigger areas with more going on then it could be good, if they just concentrate on eye candy then not so much.

The new consoles are surely going to bring 1080@60fps which doesn't require 4k TVs to start with?
4K is only really playable on high end graphics cards, the cards that cost more than these consoles will, then it's limited to less graphically intensive games. I can do 4k on Skyrim, Fallout3/NV and other CPU intensive games, games like Far Cry 3 don't do well at all, they dip below 30fps quite often, that's on a 500 card. I assume 4K will be limited to video as Conroy says.
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Old 21-05-2013, 23:25
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Its not just about graphics though imagine all these things going on around you in a gta game without no drops in frame or quality 100s of more people on the streets aswell as more cars

Gtav will do it but its still limited imagine the possiblitys that GTA6could have it will have probly 3 whole fully detailed citys with huge amounts of detail

Uncharteds style of setpieces push current games to there limit that should be a thing of the past on ps4
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Old 22-05-2013, 00:14
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Have we almost reached a peak until true photorealism is available?
Both Microsoft and Sony have gone with pretty modest hardware because the last generation hardware was too expensive for them to make a profit at launch.

There's a lot about this generation that seems "unpalatable", but if everyone's doing it, then Microsoft and Sony (Nintendo to a lesser extent too) don't need to worry about consumer reaction.
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Old 22-05-2013, 03:44
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I agree. I can't judge the advancing technology specifics, which i'm sure are being utilised to their optium because i'm not knowledgeable in that field. But i can judge superficially on what i see on screen and i'm not seeing anything beyond my comprehension.

I believe the next step is virtual reality, then real life, with no psychical repercussions.
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Old 22-05-2013, 09:16
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The rumoured xbox 1 price of 399 is way too high, especially as xbox 360 games won't work on it... and as the X1 games are unlikely to be cheaper than 40, many potential customers will stay with the X360... isn't that already the all in one device? It's great for streaming from a network, has lovefilm etc.

Really don't like how Kinect dependent X1 seems to be, not great for those playing in small rooms. And the used game charge is a backward step too... not much positive coming from this, which is a shame as it could've blown the lacklustre PS4 away with some more thought.

More social media intrusion... whoopiedoo!


Just hope the XBL price doesn't increase off this, it's expensive as it is now.
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Old 22-05-2013, 19:51
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Each gen so far has been a massive leap forward as far as graphics are concerned apart from the gen just revealed. The graphics are hardly different than the previous, maybe graphics have come as far as they can. Might be why they are focusing on the media entertainment so much.
^this, to an extent.

We're not seeing the advance in pushed polygons any more, we're seeing it in other areas- multitasking and connectivity, for example.
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Old 22-05-2013, 20:03
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Partly it is that you need a massive increase in compute power now for a relatively small improvement in experience. It's not like going from Sega Megadrive 16-bit to PS1 3D.

Just like improvements with TV, VHS to DVD was an improvement in many ways, Blu-ray only improves picture and audio quality not longevity, convenience etc. Or like going from dial-up to broadband much bigger deal (always on, no hogging of phone line) than ever faster speeds.

It's all just diminishing returns. Plus mobile games and facebook games have shown how you don't need to have fancy graphics to have a good time. As Nintendo fans always said - gameplay matters.
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Old 22-05-2013, 20:13
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As was said by the previous poster, there is diminishing returns in graphics now. My wtf moment was the first time playing Grand Theft Auto 3...

For me the decline in gaming is all this social media, casual, waving hands to control games nonesense. This is why I have started getting into indie gaming on the PC - old school flavoured inventive, innovative games that don't rely on graphics or gimmicks.
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Old 22-05-2013, 20:19
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Dont forget the uncanny valley with the visuals as well. Things are going to get creepy!

I believe the next step is virtual reality, then real life, with no psychical repercussions.
What the hell does that mean?
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Old 22-05-2013, 22:54
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As was said by the previous poster, there is diminishing returns in graphics now. My wtf moment was the first time playing Grand Theft Auto 3...

For me the decline in gaming is all this social media, casual, waving hands to control games nonesense. This is why I have started getting into indie gaming on the PC - old school flavoured inventive, innovative games that don't rely on graphics or gimmicks.
From my own tech journey, I don't think anything will ever beat having a Spectrum then seeing the Newtek Demo on the Amiga. 4,096 colours on screen, fantastic synth chip and more. Damn you for going bust Commodore!
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